Re:A roadmap to an industrially self-sufficient Mars base in...
by Gatsky on Saturday May 13, 2017 @08:53AM
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Russia has semiconductor fabs? And produces biopharmaceuticals?
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Re:A roadmap to an industrially self-sufficient Mars base in...
by Nokinside on Saturday May 13, 2017 @10:02AM
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Angstrem has IC fabs (90 nm and 130 nm) in Russia but they bought the technology from the Germany (paid German company to build the fab).
Russians have designed their own microprocessors but they are manufactured in Taiwan by TSMC.
Re:A roadmap to an industrially self-sufficient Mars base in...
by jlg23 on Saturday May 13, 2017 @09:58AM
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They even have their own Silicon Valley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelenograd#Industries
Re:A roadmap to an industrially self-sufficient Mars base in...
by themihai on Saturday May 13, 2017 @09:08AM
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I believe they do.
Re:A roadmap to an industrially self-sufficient Mars base in...
by jessriedel on Saturday May 13, 2017 @12:46PM
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That list of 100+ fabs lists just 2 in Russia (in Zelenograd and Voronezh), both operated by Mikron. One was opened in 1959 and operates at >900 nm, and the other operates at >90 nm. (EDIT: as mentioned elsewhere, even this lab was built by Germans with German tech.) For comparison, state-of-the-art facilities are <30 nm, and the US has >60 facilities on that list, which is still much more than Russian on a per capita basis (pop. 321M vs. 144M).
I know nothing about this industry, but looking only at that list it seems very possible to me that Russia is, for all intents and purposes, completely dependent on the global economy for semiconductor fab.
Re:A roadmap to an industrially self-sufficient Mars base in...
by calgoo on Saturday May 13, 2017 @01:03PM
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I think the difference is that Russia has the resources to create the factories if they need too, its just a lot easier and cheaper to outsource it.
Re:A roadmap to an industrially self-sufficient Mars base in...
by jessriedel on Saturday May 13, 2017 @01:18PM
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Sure, but the point of this part of the blog post is that there is a minimum viable sizes for modern industrialized civilization, and it is bigger than Australia (pop. 24M), and probably even Russia (pop. 144M). Russian can't itself manufacture all products it needs simultaneously even if it could do it for any individual product.
Folks in this thread seem to have mistakenly interpreted this as a value judgement about Russia from the author. "Russia is sophisticated enough to produce any of these products!" is a retort to that claim, buts it's completely besides the point.