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Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by pat2man on Friday May 12, 2017 @01:50PM (#14326145)
Are there many places in the US with hate speech laws?
Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by Davidp00 on Friday May 12, 2017 @01:54PM (#14326185)
Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by SamReidHughes on Friday May 12, 2017 @01:54PM (#14326171)
They're unconstitutional.
Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by Retric on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:07PM (#14326310)
There are some exceptions. EX: If your inciting violence then that's not protected speech.
Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by SamReidHughes on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:19PM (#14326422)
We're talking about hate speech laws.
Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by bluehazed on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:43PM (#14326681)
Hate speech can, in many circumstances, have the potential to incite violence.
Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by Karunamon on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:09PM (#14326929)
All squares are rectangles, not all rectangles are squares.
Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by mschuster91 on Friday May 12, 2017 @01:54PM (#14326179)
I don't know about any US place with real hate-speech laws. In fact, in a lot of places it even seems to be legal to run around in Nazi uniforms (complete with Hakenkreuz and everything).

Meanwhile, Facebook and TV stations censor nipples and four-letter words. Can someone explain this double morals to me?

Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by sbuttgereit on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:01PM (#14326250)
Facebook & TV are private endeavors in which participation on the part of both parties is voluntary: they provide a service because they choose to and people consume that service because they choose to. Either party may opt out and seek alternative means of accomplishing their relative goals... right or wrong. If Facebook's community doesn't suit me I can find one that does. If Facebook doesn't like the service they're offering, they can change it.

Hate speech laws would be involuntary. You could not opt out and there would be a threat of force if you should fail to behave as demanded. Worse still... who gets to define what "hate speech" is and when the use of force gets called in?

Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by PeterisP on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:30PM (#14326535)
There's no double morality - the balance of "who decides what can be said" is mostly taken away from government and given to the people.

It's legal for Facebook to say what it wants, and it's legal for Facebook to never say anything that it doesn't want to be said.

It's legal to make your own Facebook with nipples, four-letter words, blackjack and hookers; and it's legal for Facebook to forbid any posts containing letter x if they so choose.

Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by mschuster91 on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:38PM (#14326625)
> It's legal to make your own Facebook with nipples, four-letter words, blackjack and hookers;

AFAIK it's not - youth protection regulation gone wild is enshrined in law at least for TV stations and I'm sure that if FB wouldn't fear angry mothers with "uuuuuh buuuh my 16-year-old-boy saw a naked boob on FB" they wouldn't give a damn about boobs.

Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by emodendroket on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:01PM (#14326259)
It seems simple enough -- you don't have the right to say whatever you want on someone else's platform.
Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by agmcleod on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:01PM (#14326252)
Censoring is quite a bit different from being jailed or fined.
Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by randyrand on Friday May 12, 2017 @01:51PM (#14326148)
AFAIK about the US, no. The UK though is an example.
Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by boost_ on Friday May 12, 2017 @01:52PM (#14326158)
also Canada, which soon will also consider mis gendering as hate speech.
Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by ue_ on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:09PM (#14326914)
>soon will also consider mis gendering as hate speech.

I think it should be up to the individual case; deliberate misgendering can cause significant psychological trauma and distress, especially if in multiple occurrence.

Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by vkou on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:06PM (#14326298)
If they could only do the same to weasel-wording and stating falsehoods on the internet...

Too bad they, uh, aren't. [1]

[1] http://sds.utoronto.ca/blog/bill-c-16-no-its-not-about-crimi...

Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by jquery on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:23PM (#14326458)
Did you read your own article?

"Non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression may very well be interpreted by the courts in the future to include the right to be identified by a person’s self identified pronoun. The Ontario Human Rights Commission, for example, in their Policy on Preventing Discrimination Because of Gender Identity and Expression states that gender harassment should include “ Refusing to refer to a person by their self-identified name and proper personal pronoun”. In other words, pronoun misuse may become actionable, though the Human Rights Tribunals and courts. And the remedies? Monetary damages, non-financial remedies (for example, ceasing the discriminatory practice or reinstatement to job) and public interest remedies (for example, changing hiring practices or developing non-discriminatory policies and procedures)."

Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by vkou on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:51PM (#14326753)
Yes, I did. And I understand it in the context of two things - discrimination and hate crimes.

Deliberately, consistently, and maliciously misgendering someone is discrimination.

Doing so while punching them in the face, or calling for the death of all trans-gender people is a hate crime.

The fact that this was added to both discrimination, and hate crime statues is a non-brainer.

Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by boost_ on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:39PM (#14326632)
>If they could only do the same to weasel-wording and stating falsehoods on the internet...

and thank god they can't, at least not for now. i can still say any bullshit i want on the internet, as is my right.

from your own article:

>Non-discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression may very well be interpreted by the courts in the future to include the right to be identified by a person’s self identified pronoun

nice precedent

>Policy on Preventing Discrimination Because of Gender Identity and Expression states that gender harassment should include “ Refusing to refer to a person by their self-identified name and proper personal pronoun”. In other words, pronoun misuse may become actionable, though the Human Rights Tribunals and courts. And the remedies? Monetary damages, non-financial remedies (for example, ceasing the discriminatory practice or reinstatement to job) and public interest remedies (for example, changing hiring practices or developing non-discriminatory policies and procedures). Jail time is not one of them.

oh ok, no jail time, but i'm forced to hire someone that identifies as an attack helicopter, great!

>So what does this mean for pronoun misuse? Well, refusing to use a person’s self identified pronoun is not going to be considered advocating genocide – unless the refusal to use the pronouns was accompanied by actually advocating genocide against trans and gender non-binary folks.

so its fine unless i promote genocide, kinda makes sense but its still a slippery slope imo

>Similarly, it’s hard to see the refusal to use the appropriate pronoun –without something else – rising to the threshold of hate speech. Hate speech laws in Canada have only been used- and only can be used – against extreme forms of speech – explicitly and extreme forms of homophobic, anti-Semitic or racist speech.

so pronoun misuse is still legal, unless it gets to "extreme", whatever that means. and who decides what "extreme" is?

>Moreover, prosecution needs the approval of the Attorney General.

so in the end the attorney general decides..

Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by gragas on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:26PM (#14326485)
Making it illegal to say something that's false is ridiculous.

That is a very, very bad idea.

Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by cmurf on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:09PM (#14326327)
A disjointed approximate is "fighting words doctrine". Assuming you survive punching someone for clearly being threatening, a prosecutor is unlikely to charge you with assault, i.e. the loud mouth had it coming.
Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by burkaman on Friday May 12, 2017 @02:31PM (#14326542)
The fighting words doctrine has been repeatedly weakened by the Supreme Court and doesn't really work anymore: https://www.thefire.org/misconceptions-about-the-fighting-wo...

The original case that created it, Chaplinsky v. State of New Hampshire, would seem outrageous if it were upheld today.

Re:Blasphemy laws are an offense against free speech, and th... by woofyman on Friday May 12, 2017 @01:57PM (#14326211)
No