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Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by smnscu on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @08:38AM (#14307677)
It'd be interesting to build a tool to detect all the copyrighted material on YouTube that bypasses the automated checks. Some of the tricks used:

* picture-in-picture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp1aOWUSRZg

* mirrored image

* higher pitch

* other?

Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by retox on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @08:56AM (#14307768)
Interesting in what way? Everyone who has spent more than five minutes on youtube knows their bread and butter is copyright infringing videos. It's the unspoken dirty secret of online video.

Just search for 'full album' or 'full movie'.

Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by CommieBobDole on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:36AM (#14308022)
Beyond the outright movie/album piracy, there's another phenomenon that happens constantly at Youtube:

1. Someone uploads funny/interesting content.

2. Other people (bots maybe) notice that it's popular and download and re-upload it, titling and promoting it so that it ranks above the original in search results. Often the re-uploaders file takedown notices against the original video or other re-uploaders, so they're removed.

3. Repeat step 2 hundreds of times, until any search for "funny/interesting content" returns only a series of almost-identical 240p 15fps cropped, mirrored, or otherwise unwatchable versions of the original video.

I don't know if they condone this because it results in more overall views, or if they're just terrible at fighting it, but it's largely made Youtube useless for its original purpose as a many-to-many video sharing platform.

Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by joaodmj on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:54AM (#14308166)
Hey CommieBobDole, that's exactly the problem we are solving. Our technology is robust enough to detect all those tweaks.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by sp332 on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:22AM (#14307909)
It's hardly unspoken, Viacom sued them for a billion dollars way back before Google bought them. They only lost the case because they couldn't find evidence that YouTube execs mentioned any specific video when discussing the money they made from piracy.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by aphexbr on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:40AM (#14308053)
They fact that they included videos they had specifically authorised or uploaded themselves in the list of supposedly infringing videos couldn't have helped.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by frogpelt on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:12AM (#14308297)
One correction: Google bought YouTube in 2006. Viacom sued YouTube in 2007.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by sp332 on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:52AM (#14308644)
I guess that makes more sense, since YouTube wouldn't have had $1B to sue for. But the actions brought up in the trial were pre-acquisition.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by robbiemitchell on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @08:56AM (#14307774)
Other tricks I've seen:

* skip a 1-3 seconds every so often

* chop it into blocks and re-arrange them, so you watch out of order but still get the gist (1,2,3,4,5 becomes 1,3,2,5,4)

Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by joaodmj on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:56AM (#14308179)
Hi robbiemitchell, we can also recognize video with that technique :) You should try the platform
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by doh on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @12:40PM (#14309564)
Yeah, those are fun ones. We [0] are dealing with most of those.

Here are some fun ones based on Shia LeBouf's green screen performance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

- https://vk.com/video-67185996_171327939

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_TuTzzSUb0&t=0s

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ktEzJvaGM&t=186s

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BLMW3vQV20&t=124s

etc. There is much more we can do, but there are some we can't. For instance phone recorded 3D movie recorded in a cinema from a weird angle.

[0] https://pex.com

Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by my_ghola on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:59AM (#14309220)
I'd be more interesting to build a tool to detect all the videos in Youtube that fall under fair use but are still being DMCA'd.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by doh on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @12:44PM (#14309593)
We're looking into this for couple of years now. We're doing some steady progress, but far from a final result.

The problem is incredibly complex, because Fair Use doesn't have any quantifiable metrics that you can translate into a computer algorithm. The gist of Fair Use is that you have to prove the intent of the uploader trying to rip you off.

As you can imagine, this is a very hard thing to prove and the amount of videos being uploaded every day makes this is even harder to crack.

If you're interested in this problematic, reach out and I will be happy to share more.

Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by austenallred on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @12:03PM (#14309270)
Could be a cool open source project. Would almost definitely be a worse business.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by joaodmj on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:52AM (#14308156)
Thanks for starting a good discussion smnscu. That's exactly what we are here for: we are solving that problem!
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by abdias on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @08:42AM (#14307700)
How will you deal with fair-use?
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by dagw on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @08:56AM (#14307772)
Since there is no algorithmic way of defining fair use, it can only really be dealt with by lawyers in court.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by joaodmj on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:39AM (#14308528)
Hi abdias, thanks for your question! At this stage we only inform our users where the uploaded video is online. Do you think we should deal with fair-use?
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by Asooka on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @08:52AM (#14307753)
You don't have to, fair-use is a defence only applicable in court, the easiest way is to sue everyone and let their lawyers assert fair-use. AFAIK it's not unlawful, nor will you incur any fines, if you sue someone for using your copyrighted material if it ends up being declared fair-use. Additionally, I think youtube is even more lenient than that towards people asserting unlawful use of their copyrighted material. In short, fair-use does not exist outside of the courtroom and no amount of "I own no copyrights" or "No copyright intended" tags, or citing the copyright code on your videos can summon it.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by dickbasedregex on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @08:57AM (#14307777)
YouTube already does an absolutely horrible job with handling take-downs and fair use. I have zero interest in seeing any systems or algorithms built that would aid the sloppy, lazy, and greedy organizations shot gunning take downs, even on their own material and channels (always funny).
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by yomly on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:17AM (#14307885)
This amuses me greatly, got any tangible examples?
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by brlewis on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @11:32AM (#14308932)
I posted an unlisted video of my daughter at a noisy indoor theme park. It got automatically removed because the venue had a song playing in the background.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by emodendroket on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:29AM (#14307972)
jwz posted a thing about his long saga fighting a takedown of horror movie reviews.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by yomly on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @04:43PM (#14311513)
>even on their own material and channels (always funny).

I was referring specifically to this? Am I right to infer that DMCAs are so scatter gun that publishers have managed to DMCA themselves?

Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by Nadya on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @04:44PM (#14311523)
>Am I right to infer that DMCAs are so scatter gun that publishers have managed to DMCA themselves?

Yes this has happened multiple times. Notable one that's somewhat recent that comes to mind: https://torrentfreak.com/warner-bros-flags-website-piracy-po...

Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by SomeStupidPoint on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @10:34AM (#14308498)
Your line of thinking is why we need anti-SLAPP style laws protecting Fair Use.

Strategic lawsuits against Fair Use are a form of stifling protected speech.

Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by corobo on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @08:57AM (#14307778)
> sue everyone and let their lawyers assert fair-use

YouTube would turn into a tumbleweed landscape overnight!

I've often thought YT should just add "No copyright intended" et al as a ContentID trigger though.

Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by emodendroket on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:29AM (#14307969)
"No copyright intended" always makes me laugh. What does that even mean?
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by rmc on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:35AM (#14308016)
It means the average person has no idea how copyright law works. It means lots of average people think there is nothing wrong with non-commerical usage of copyrighted works so long as you don't try to pass something off as your own. It means the legal definition of copyright infringement is out of step of what most people think of as right and wrong.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by emodendroket on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:28AM (#14307963)
Cell phone video of a television.
Re:Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the int... by joaodmj on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @09:57AM (#14308196)
Hey emodendroket, that's one of the use cases we are better at: recognizing videos from a scan of the TV.