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Re:Macron condemns 'massive' hacking attack by grondilu on Friday May 05, 2017 @07:53PM (#14277717)
> If they opt for liberal Emmanuel Macron

How is he labelled as "liberal"? He's been a member of the French socialist party. He only left it last year for his campaign.

Re:Macron condemns 'massive' hacking attack by lcpriest on Friday May 05, 2017 @08:00PM (#14277763)
I think this might be a confusion between American Liberalism and European Liberalism?

The main difference between American and European concepts of liberalism is in economic philosophy. While American liberals favour government regulation of business and social welfare programs, "economic liberalism" in Europe is about free markets and laissez-faire.[1]

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iJUywVdpe8

Re:Macron condemns 'massive' hacking attack by walrus01 on Friday May 05, 2017 @07:55PM (#14277725)
in comparison to Le Pen, nearly everyone is a flaming liberal/socialist. What exists to the right of Le Pen? Actual swastika wearing nazis?
Re:Macron condemns 'massive' hacking attack by grondilu on Friday May 05, 2017 @08:06PM (#14277790)
It's kind of sad that we classify Politics so linearly. After all originally it was only based on where representatives were seated at the assembly. What characterizes Le Pen is the nationalist stand inherited from her father : basically the idea that most problems come from immigration so that we should close borders and kick foreigners away.

The schism between "socialism" and "liberalism" has imho, nothing to do with that. It's more an economical philosophy about the ownership of capital, as discussed by Marx.

In addition to that there are differences regarding some moral values, where "conservatives" are usually seen as people who stand their grounds on old principles (like heterosexual marriage, death penalty, gun ownership), though it seems to me that this is very much an American.

Anyhow, this makes it all very confusing, especially when translating, and I suppose that's why an article written in English did not say Macron is "socialist" but rather "liberal", even if in France "liberal" kind of means "right-wing".

Re:Macron condemns 'massive' hacking attack by justAlittleCom on Friday May 05, 2017 @08:43PM (#14277966)
Macron is NOT socialist (he told it himself) (Well, to be fair, he also told that he was (cf youtube link for both)). He's pure and simple right-wing. He believe that we should let the market treat workers as they please. That's what we call "Being liberal" in Europe. Its the opposite of being socialists: the government should protect the workers from the institutions who wants to exploit them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EBeAoFfXpg

Re:Macron condemns 'massive' hacking attack by mschuster91 on Friday May 05, 2017 @08:03PM (#14277774)
> What exists to the right of Le Pen? Actual swastika wearing nazis?

For the record, her own father, which she ejected from the party, was a well known antisemite and worshipper of Hitler himself...

Re:Macron condemns 'massive' hacking attack by ceejayoz on Friday May 05, 2017 @07:58PM (#14277753)
> Actual swastika wearing nazis?

Pretty much. Including her estranged father: http://www.timesofisrael.com/le-pens-father-slams-her-perfor...

Re:Macron condemns 'massive' hacking attack by justAlittleCom on Friday May 05, 2017 @08:27PM (#14277883)
Dont let the name "parti socialiste" fools you, it was once a socialist party, but in the early 80's, it became social liberal, and during the 00's, just liberal. And not the "nice boss liberal" one, no, the pretty dumb hard-core one. With proto-fascists shits in it.

Macron is in the right wing of the french PS, the party betrayed its own candidate (choosen by the electors by a primary) to back him up.

And Macron idea's are simple : whatever is good for the richs and the powerfull is good for the country.

So… Low salary, no labour law, no state services, more europe, less democracy, etc.

He's like Margaret Thatchers with fewer hairs.