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Re:Wrapping up Java 9 new Features by agumonkey on Thursday May 04, 2017 @12:26PM (#14266156)
Sorry for the easy jab, but is there anything from Eclipse that is good ?

ps: user and ex plugin developer asking

Re:Wrapping up Java 9 new Features by pjmlp on Thursday May 04, 2017 @12:38PM (#14266288)
CDT used to be quite good, and there are some features like makefiles and debugging capabilities that are missing from CLion.

And actually it does use less resources than either InteliJ or Android Studio, while having faster builds.

Re:Wrapping up Java 9 new Features by agumonkey on Thursday May 04, 2017 @03:23PM (#14267877)
Oh right I forgot CDT. The key to Eclipse's success.
Re:Wrapping up Java 9 new Features by Groxx on Thursday May 04, 2017 @03:19PM (#14267830)
Android Studio's minimum-resource-usage-for-sane-performance is enormous. It does some things nicer than Eclipse, but there are definitely times I miss Eclipse's lean-ness, which is not a thing I would have expected myself to ever feel prior to AS.
Re:Wrapping up Java 9 new Features by lmm on Thursday May 04, 2017 @12:39PM (#14266295)
The IDE is good. Eclipselink is fine.
Re:Wrapping up Java 9 new Features by agumonkey on Thursday May 04, 2017 @01:08PM (#14266603)
I felt it was hog, slow, and the interal API is a maze. Also the virtual fs layer ...
Re:Wrapping up Java 9 new Features by lmm on Thursday May 04, 2017 @02:48PM (#14267574)
It's big and slow, agreed, but it is very powerful. I don't know the details of the virtual FS layer but I can sympathise because that's very difficult to get right in a cross-platform way.
Re:Wrapping up Java 9 new Features by agumonkey on Thursday May 04, 2017 @04:08PM (#14268291)
I don't think it's powerful. As fanatic as it seems, emacs is more powerful for real work. It's more human and more theoretical than Eclipse, which is a "usine a gaz" more than anything. It doesn't bring performance, nor ease of use, or stability. I don't get it.
Re:Wrapping up Java 9 new Features by lmm on Friday May 05, 2017 @06:35AM (#14272417)
The graphical views are useful, and the wide range of plugins comes in very handy. I could never get on with the emacs interface - it just wasn't discoverable enough - YMMV I guess.
Re:Wrapping up Java 9 new Features by agumonkey on Friday May 05, 2017 @09:29AM (#14273256)
Discoverability in emacs is a tiny bootstrap problem. I have to admit that for years I didn't know how to ask emacs, but when you do (C-h m, C-h k), there's no more discoverability problem.
Re:Wrapping up Java 9 new Features by leastangle on Thursday May 04, 2017 @02:43PM (#14267528)
Jetty? OpenHAB?
Re:Wrapping up Java 9 new Features by agumonkey on Thursday May 04, 2017 @03:24PM (#14267883)
Did Jetty start as an Eclipse project or was it swallowed recently ? I thought it was apache incubated.