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Re:Puerto Rico files for biggest ever U.S. local government ... by cbr on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @06:11PM (#14260677)
I'm pretty sure taking out a loan that you intend to default on is fraud, but making a contract with someone that you expect to be very profitable to you is not.
Re:Puerto Rico files for biggest ever U.S. local government ... by analog31 on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @07:44PM (#14261251)
If I were to look for fraud anywhere, I'd start by looking at the people who give inflated ratings to bonds.
Re:Puerto Rico files for biggest ever U.S. local government ... by candiodari on Friday May 05, 2017 @10:25PM (#14278339)
What about politicians that use the government to take action against firms when they lower particular ratings ?

Are those committing fraud too ?

What, incidentally, about politicians who force pension funds to buy bonds "they like" by legal means ? (at least 200 politicians in current service are guilty of this)

These are US government bonds, by the way, if a default happens with them, the sort of organisation that will suffer the most is US pension funds.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_governme...

Re:Puerto Rico files for biggest ever U.S. local government ... by lmm on Thursday May 04, 2017 @07:10AM (#14263968)
Start there, sure, but don't stop there.
Re:Puerto Rico files for biggest ever U.S. local government ... by e0 on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @06:24PM (#14260772)
Who said anything about taking out a fraudulent loan?
Re:Puerto Rico files for biggest ever U.S. local government ... by cbr on Thursday May 04, 2017 @10:52AM (#14265224)
I was responding to "There should be no more shame in choosing to default as there would be for choosing to exercise a stock option that causes your counterparty lose all his money." The idea is, if "default" were just a neutral acceptable option then we wouldn't think of it as fraud if you took out a loan that you planned to default on.
Re:Puerto Rico files for biggest ever U.S. local government ... by malnourish on Thursday May 04, 2017 @09:10AM (#14264518)
Intent to default sure, but realizing that defaulting is the best option after your circumstances have changes is not fraud.