Sure. I wasn't trying to minimize it by saying "online IDE". I was trying to say that the home page is pretty ambiguous. I needed help from HN'ers to tell what it even was. "OpenShift" already means something else to me. That list of features you just posted would be good to put on the home page.

I've read through most of it, and I think you're safe calling it a web-based IDE. Obviously "IDE" means more than it would have 15 years ago, but that's still what it is.

So if a company chooses openshift.io, then I'm not going to be able to use IntelliJ, NetBeans, emacs, vim, visual studio code, etc.

That'll help attract talent.

Proof for your statement? This sounds like juicy, paranoia-mongering FUD.

Sorry, I didn't mean it to come off as a statement. It says that there's an online IDE, so it was a question; I unfortunately used a '.' to end the first sentence because I had an 'etc.' at the end.

It's seriously a question; and if the answer is yes, then the following statement applies (the one about attracting talent).

But yes, it came off pretty cynical and sarcastic, but if someone is going to try to force me to use a particular IDE, it would piss me off (and the thought of it did too).

If it works anything like OpenShift 3's on premise product, and I see nothing that says it doesn't, you can use whatever IDE you want, but the deeper you get into customization, the less "special sauce" you'll get. Maybe clippy won't pop up and say "hey, it looks like you're trying to use an out of date library!" if you're editing in vi and checking in with git or whatever.

I think you are jumping to conclusions here, OpenShift.io is committing to a git repository. I'm guessing you'll still be able to clone this repo locally and use your own tools.

Yeah, I don't see any reason why you'd be forced to use any particular IDE if you're using Git properly

You can use any IDE and also use every other component of OpenShift.IO ( like planner, build, pipelines )

I have an OpenShift account and now I'm shown an "additional action needed" page on login. When i complete it and hit submit, it tells me that email already exists.

Not at all pleasant :(

I'll see if we can get a fix pushed out for this today/ASAP. The issue currently occurs when you have multiple Red Hat accounts that use the same email address (or a sub-addressed version of the same email address, like "[email protected]" and "[email protected]".

> I'll see if we can get a fix pushed out for this today/ASAP. The issue currently occurs when you have multiple Red Hat accounts that use the same email address (or a sub-addressed version of the same email address, like "[email protected]" and "[email protected]".

Is this a special case for Google mail or do you assume [email protected] is the same as [email protected] ? Why?

It's an abuse prevention mechanism. We do not permit users to have multiple OpenShift Online accounts. See 2.1 in the OpenShift Online terms of service: https://www.openshift.com/legal/terms.html

"You may not (or permit third parties to) create multiple accounts or otherwise access the Services in a manner that is intended to avoid Fees or to circumvent maximum capacity thresholds for the Services."

Then it's a bug right? The uniqueness check should be based on the part before the + sign.

No, I don't think what google does is standard behavior (not trying to say anything bad about Google; I love Google). However, as far as I know, disallowing + is not a particularly good way of preventing abuse. I won't go as far as to say it semms like bad code but it is pretty close.

I think it is OK to make a special case for Gmail and Google mail but it is counterproductive to try to crown it as a de facto standard.

http://mozilla.wikia.com/wiki/User:Me_at_work/plushaters?use...

huh? Google's special behaviour is that they are blind to dots in the user part of the address.

The + sign is not anything to do with Google.

Oh I didn't know. Just found https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5233 after trading what you wrote.

I just assumed + is a valid character and [email protected] would be a valid email address independent of a or b. But it seems we shouldn't allow + or -- when people sign up for a new email address?

Sorry for the inconvenience! I have reported this issue here: https://github.com/openshiftio/openshift.io/issues/134

This issue has been fixed in upstream. https://issues.jboss.org/browse/RHDENG-1320 Please try it again after some time.

We've pushed a fix for this. Please give it another try.

This looks like a clusterf*ck.