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Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by 21 on Sunday April 30, 2017 @08:45AM (#14231280)
> Switzerland is a small, neutral country without a serious army. They would hardly refuse to hand the gold back on request.

This guy is suggesting that Germany could invade Switzerland if they refuse to give back their gold, so this is a good reason to keep it there. I'm pretty sure such action would be illegal under UN rules, ie: you can't invade a country because they don't give you back your posession.

And Switzerland neutrality is highly debatable given that it's surrounded by NATO and part in a lot of EU mechanisms.

Also, an invasion would make no sense under the writers own assumption, that something is wrong in the gold market. A war in the heart of Europe will tank a lot of markets.

Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by secfirstmd on Sunday April 30, 2017 @08:56AM (#14231311)
Without a serious army? Are you kidding me?

Yes its not exactly the US military but bloody hell, you would have a very very hard time trying to take over Switzerland - even these days. Road tunnels designed to be blown up, hundreds of thousands of modern trained soldiers with guns at home - fighting on their own terrain, ammunition dumps in individual towns, strong points, bunkers in every apartment block, supplies of modern anti armour weapons, lots of people trained in the use of explosives, etc etc

Good luck getting in there.

Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by vapourismo on Sunday April 30, 2017 @09:21AM (#14231379)
How do airplanes work?
Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by ptaipale on Sunday April 30, 2017 @09:57AM (#14231498)
Airplanes can do air superiority, but you can't take over a country without boots on the ground.

The idea of Germany invading Switzerland is surreal.

Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by tonfa on Sunday April 30, 2017 @10:32AM (#14231665)
That's said you only need to take over the Bundesplatz in Berne.

(Still I'm not sure what it would achieve to start an open war...)

Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by SFJulie on Sunday April 30, 2017 @09:27AM (#14231397)
http://www.airspacemag.com/flight-today/dont-mess-with-switz...

Aircraft caverns :) F18/A Hornets and modern equipments.

Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by geff82 on Sunday April 30, 2017 @09:24AM (#14231388)
From autobahns that can be convertef to airports.
Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by reitanqild on Sunday April 30, 2017 @11:08AM (#14231873)
Same as Sweden then IIRC?
Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by erikb on Sunday April 30, 2017 @08:48AM (#14231291)
As Russia-Ukraine has shown you can take stuff by force without creating big scale war. And remember how Hitler just went state shopping before there was a war?

The thing about war is that most party's don't really want it. So sometimes it's possible to grab some advantage that theoretically should result in war.

Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by 21 on Sunday April 30, 2017 @08:53AM (#14231302)
So you are saying that Germany would begin military action against Switzerland for $50 billion worth of gold (rough value of 1000 tons of gold).

How much damage to the Euro and to the European stock markets would such action cause? Not to mention other costs

Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by erikb on Sunday April 30, 2017 @01:30PM (#14232698)
Not 100% what I'm saying. I'm saying that if Switzerland holds a lot of Germanys gold and has promised to give access whenever and don't hold up to that promise, Germany just moving some tanks over, then taking the gold, then moving the tanks back, is quite a possible scenario.

Yes that would harm the EU in short term (1-5 years). But so would it get hurt if a powerful member of that alliance is not able to enforce rightful demands. Anyways if we include the EU into the discussion, it's very likely that a lot of other steps would convince Switzerland before the first tank needs to get manned.

Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by NotSammyHagar on Sunday April 30, 2017 @03:30PM (#14233386)
Such an action would destroy trillions of dollars of wealth. For less than apple has in cash. It doesn't make sense, $50 billion of gold is still just $50 billion.
Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by vsl on Monday May 01, 2017 @03:37AM (#14236134)
The point is, not really possible, given Swiss defense system. Have you been to Switzerland? That country is a fortress.
Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by celticninja on Sunday April 30, 2017 @10:51AM (#14231777)
Switzerland don't have any German gold according to the article.
Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by Iv on Sunday April 30, 2017 @10:06AM (#14231552)
I think that if Germany tries again to invade a neighbor, EU is over.
Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by ekianjo on Sunday April 30, 2017 @11:46AM (#14232069)
> And remember how Hitler just went state shopping before there was a war?

Hitler went state shopping because the regions he started to invade had a majority of German speaking folks. As soon as he started to do something else (i.e. Poland) it started a war.

Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by Zak on Sunday April 30, 2017 @10:23AM (#14231637)
That Switzerland is a landlocked country surrounded by Germany and its allies, who are also Switzerland's biggest trading partners is a stronger reason they wouldn't steal from Germany. The consequences of doing so would be devastating.

The US, on the other hand could get away with it, being too big to fail.

Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by snovv_crash on Sunday April 30, 2017 @10:48AM (#14231760)
This. Switzerland depends heavily on Germany (and the rest of Europe) for imports.

Moreover, the one thing Switzerland has which is far more important than their​ pharmaceutical industry is trust. They are not in a strong-arm position like the USA, and any doubt in their solvency would cripple them back to the poverty they had in the 1950s.

Re:Why Deutsche Bundesbank had to promise to leave 1200 tons... by ars on Sunday April 30, 2017 @03:55PM (#14233501)
> I'm pretty sure such action would be illegal under UN rules, ie: you can't invade a country because they don't give you back your posession.

So?

Since when would that make a difference to anyone?

The concept of UN "laws" or "illegal" just makes me laugh. The UN has treaties - countries agreeing to limits on their own behavior. The UN is not a government, and does not enforce any law.

So yes, you can just invade a country because they don't give you back your possession. Other countries might get mad at you, but the UN is quite irrelevant.