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Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by loeg on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @06:37PM (#14207666)
> There is roughly 3% chance of error in RAM per DIMM per year. That doesn't justify buying ECC if you have just one personal computer to worry about.

How do you make that leap?

Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by user5994461 on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @07:20PM (#14207907)
It's an inappropriate leap. Consumers should have ECC memory too.

However the consumer market has long decided to settle for ECC nowhere and cheap everywhere.

ECC hardware comes at premium option that can easily be +100%. You need support in the memory, the motherboard and the CPU.

Given the price difference, personal computers will have to live with the memory errors. People will not pay double for their computers. Manufacturers will not sacrifice their margin while they can segment the market and make a ton of money off ECC.

Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by michaelmrose on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @07:43PM (#14208011)
Amd has modestly priced hardware that supports ecc
Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by rfrank on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @09:29PM (#14208497)
Was that the case before Ryzen? I know their new CPUs support ECC, but I'm not sure for earlier generations.
Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by yuhong on Thursday April 27, 2017 @12:32AM (#14209186)
I think it was common for AM3 for example too.
Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by qb45 on Thursday April 27, 2017 @01:43AM (#14209439)
ECC is officially supported by all AM2/3(+) CPUs and AFAIK all corresponding motherboards from ASUS. As in, you have it guaranteed on the spec sheet.

There are also reports of BIOS support in some boards which don't have ECC advertised. And you can try to enable it in the OS even without BIOS support, though some level of hardware support is still necessary. As Linux documentation puts it: "may cause unknown side effects" :)

Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by dagw on Thursday April 27, 2017 @03:10AM (#14209759)
It was technically supported by the hardware, but not by many motherboard and BIOS's.
Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by loeg on Thursday April 27, 2017 @01:43AM (#14209436)
Yep.
Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by yuhong on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @10:27PM (#14208749)
Bristol Ridge does support ECC BTW, but one problem is that you can't use ECC with x16 chips (because ECC is 72-bit), so with 8GB of RAM and 8Gbit chips you have to choose between non-ECC/ECC single channel with x8 chips and non-ECC dual channel with x16 chips. 4Gbit don't have this problem but will become obsolete especially when 18nm ramps up, and while DRAM prices should decline when that happens...
Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by qb45 on Thursday April 27, 2017 @02:04AM (#14209518)
What's the matter with x8/x16 chips and dual channel? I don't think it should matter.

Or do you mean that if you want exactly 8GB then it's hard to find a pair of 4GB DDR4 ECC modules? Well, just get 2x8GB if you are a performance nut.

Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by yuhong on Thursday April 27, 2017 @02:13AM (#14209549)
Yes, what I am saying is that it is impossible with 8Gbit chips, but possible with 4Gbit.
Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by delish on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @06:58PM (#14207786)
I'd like to know this, too.

I am guessing it's because, if RAM errors increase linearly with the number of computers, then RAM errors will be a greater and greater proportion of total errors. This assumes other kinds of errors don't scale linearly. Someone looking through logs is looking for errors, they'd like to find fixable logic errors, not inevitable RAM errors.

Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by rascul on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @07:22PM (#14207915)
A cost/benefit analysis for a system where non critical operations are performed would seem to favor the non ECC memory. I suspect this is the case for the majority of people who have computers for their personal use, without taking into account that they might not even be aware such a thing exists. Although, I haven't compared ECC prices lately.
Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by nine_k on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @08:27PM (#14208225)
Your game machine can live without ECC.

Your NAS should better have it, though.

Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by flamedoge on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @08:07PM (#14208136)
Probably assumptions about uses of PC. I'd imagine most of bits are media related.
Re:Should I buy ECC memory? (2015) by tertius on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @07:12PM (#14207861)
Because the market.