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Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by atemerev on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @03:52PM (#14197344)
Right. Take care of yourself, deal with your mental issues, start every morning with cheap motivational yadda-yadda, improve your social skills -- and you can live long and stay healthy, while generating more profit for your employers and being less of a nuisance to your insurance company.

What a time to be alive!

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by Sukotto on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @09:52PM (#14199897)
I read your comment as strongly sarcastic. Do you mean it that way? Because it looks to me like they are very up-front about how iffy some of this stuff is. So what's the problem?

  The trouble with self-help advice is that it’s often based
  on barely any evidence. 
  ... [however] we’ve found that there are a number of
  evidence-backed steps that anyone can take to become more
  productive and successful in their career...

  So we’ve gathered up all the best advice we’ve found over
  our last five years of research.

  In many cases, the evidence isn’t as strong as we’d like.
  Rather, it’s the best we’re aware of. We’ve tried to come
  to an all-considered view of what makes sense to try
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by Aeolun on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @12:11AM (#14200375)
Even if you are up front about how iffy your stuff is. You cannot just call out 'self-help advice with barely any evidence' and then repeat said advice without batting your eyes.

I was hoping to see some actual evidence, but instead I found product advertisements and cheap motivational shit.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by npsimons on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @06:09PM (#14198573)
> Take care of yourself, deal with your mental issues

Aside from your other complaints, what's wrong with these two pieces of advice? They seem like completely sensible things that far too many people eschew.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by nimchimpsky on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:11PM (#14199426)
Not exactly insightful
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by munchbunny on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @09:35PM (#14199821)
Maybe not insightful, but it falls into the category of "obvious but not nearly enough people actually do it" alongside other things like flossing, saving for retirement, and checking array lengths. That sort of thing is definitely worth repeating.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by chrisweekly on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @06:15AM (#14201856)
>"obvious... flossing... retirement... checking array lengths"

Flossing is nearly useless (the studies that led to ADA recommendations turned out to be deeply flawed and inconclusive).

Retirement is a historically relatively recent concept which doesn't make people happy.

Some programming paradigms obviate the need for array length checks, eg with robust constructs for nil.

I note these not to be argumentative, but to highlight that defining what's "obvious" as the right thing to do is anything but.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by munchbunny on Thursday April 27, 2017 @03:49PM (#14214168)
> Flossing is nearly useless (the studies that led to ADA recommendations turned out to be deeply flawed and inconclusive).

Since we're going into a high level of detail, I want to point out that "nearly useless" implies that we've concluded no correlation. We actually just don't have a conclusion, so "we don't know" is much more accurate. I got your point, but let's make sure to stay on the right side of rigor.

Retirement: feel free to substitute "retirement" with "time period at end of life that usually correlates with less ability to draw income." The advice is still sound whether or not you choose to retire at 65. There are exceptions, but if you're that rich, then you're a tiny exceptional minority of the potential audience of the advice.

Array length checks: as long as indexing into arrays is a thing, it's going to remain good advice the vast majority of the time. Thankfully most modern languages realized that it's better if the language does the low level bounds checking for you, but high level bounds checking is still very much a thing.

What counts as "obvious" is like what counts as a "heap" of sand. The exact line is subjective, but there's a point where pretty much everyone is in agreement. Defining what's "obvious" in the gray middle area is hard, but defining what's "obvious" or "not obvious" on the extremes tends to be far easier.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by prawn on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @09:39PM (#14199846)
Many things aren't, but I think regular reminders are helpful and motivational for people. I've often thought that an app that continually interpreted situations and prodded people to make good decisions would seem like the end of humanity, but actually be helpful for many.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by chocolatebunny on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @04:52PM (#14197896)
How does one go about improving one's social skills.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by eightysixfour on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:10PM (#14198057)
Unless you suffer from social anxiety, you improve your social skills just like anything else - with intentional practice.

If you want to be better at small talk, make small talk any opportunity you can (or become an Uber/Lyft driver, tour guide, or some other job that requires you to use these skills). If you want to be better at flirting, flirt. Make note of when you're practicing, try and look for social/body language cues and make adjustments. Replay the conversation later in your head and figure out places you can do better next time. Then try again.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by scandinavegan on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:59PM (#14198499)
> Then try again.

This is very important, as well as, as you say, just doing it.

You (the general you) have a better chance of going on a date if you ask ten people than if you ask only one. You need to be able to handle that not every interaction will be successful, that sometimes people are not interested, and then you just cut it short and move on. Since it's important to get as much practice as possible, it's better to have ten short conversations at the coffee machine, in the elevator, and so on during the day, than one prepared line to say to the person at the front desk as you leave for the day.

Another suggestion to practice talking to people is to approach people who work in clothing stores, cafes, libraries, and so on, and talk to them. They get payed to talk to you, and will make an effort to make the conversation be pleasant for you. You probably won't have the deepest conversations, but the idea is just to experience what it's like to small talk with people. You can either talk about clothes, books, or coffee, or tell them something small about your day and see if they pick it up and asks a follow up questions.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by zardo on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:52PM (#14198442)
>Unless you suffer from social anxiety

You do it the same way if you suffer from social anxiety. You are just forced to practice coping with anxiety at the same time.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by eightysixfour on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @06:10PM (#14198592)
I don't have any experience with social anxiety or treatment personally, so I wanted to escape that portion of the discussion with what is essentially a disclaimer. I assumed the advice would apply but wasn't sure, so thanks for confirming that.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by arrosenberg on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:48PM (#14198404)
Even if you do have social anxiety practice helps alot. I'd recommend volunteering somewhere that you have to interact with a few new people regularly. It is less overwhelming than most social situations since volunteering is usually task-oriented (if you feel overwhelmed, just focus on the work), and it lets you practice making small talk with other people.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by lemonberry on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:32PM (#14198257)
Dale Carnegie's 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' is a worthwhile read.

Asking people about themselves and listening is a great place to start. Caring about the interaction/person helps too.

And like someone else posted: practice.

Watching others interact with people is good too, just be wary of modeling people too much. Some people can make a whole room laugh with a single phrase, while others would get slapped for saying the same thing. Delivery counts, and it's not always obvious what it is in the delivery that matters.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by BenjaminTodd on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:29PM (#14199516)
We try to summarise the best advice we've found in the article: https://80000hours.org/career-guide/how-to-be-successful/#5-...

But we'd like to find more.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by jessriedel on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:31PM (#14198256)
Read Dale Carnegie and practice. Improving at social interactions through (sometimes unpleasant or tiresome) practice is not that different than doing the same with physical activities.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by surrey-fringe on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:07PM (#14199396)
Learn from people who have good skills.

HN might not be the best place.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by bdamm on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:28PM (#14199512)
It's better than many in-class alternatives.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by ci5er on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:32PM (#14200227)
In-class?
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by mos_basik on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:54PM (#14200315)
Best guess would be other large, more or less general purpose internet forums (in the classical sense) that people use to exchange ideas and socialize. Reddit, 4chan, Slashdot, maybe Tumblr and Twitter.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by justlearning123 on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @10:23PM (#14199994)
One additional comment apart from what others are suggesting - some cultures (Asian, etc) are more social than others, you might find it a bit easier to get social with them.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by cmdrfred on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:00PM (#14197964)
Find someone well liked and do an impression of them.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by socmag on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:36PM (#14198298)
Wow cool top comment!

Which reminds me, I just watched an excellent documentary on Karl Marx which was very timely. It's largely forgotten what he was really about I think.

Really hit home that his concept of the "Surplus Value" of a worker is just as important if not more so today as it was the day he critiqued capitalism in the 1800's.

Shame about how his work was twisted into authoritarian dictatorship by the likes of Stalin. You just can't win :/

You really just nailed it though.

Next week, back to Nietzsche.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by duncan_bayne on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:46PM (#14198387)
Serious question: how do you think one _could_ implement Marx's solutions to the problems he claims he found, _without_ an authoritarian dictatorship? Not thinking so much small, voluntary communes but at the sort of scale of a modern city or State.

I'm pretty sure it was Marx himself who first used the phrase "dictatorship of the proletariat".

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by charles-salvia on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @07:50PM (#14199325)
People talk about Marx as if he wrote some kind of blueprint for a Communist state. But he really didn't. He was basically writing a philosophy of history centering around a problem he observed - he wasn't necessarily writing about ideas for implementing particular solutions beyond vague notions that a Socialist revolution and subsequent Communist society is ultimately inevitable due to built-in flaws of any Capitalist system. The TLDR version of Marx is:

"All of human history is based around class struggles punctuated by revolutions, and in modern times this continues with those who own the means of production (Capitalists) having all the power over the common workers (employees). But don't worry because Capitalism is a self-destructive system, and soon there will be a socialist revolution, which will ultimately evolve into a Communist state, and then everything will be cool."

The only real implementation details he talks about have to do with some kind of transitional "pre-Communist" society, where he talks about nationalization of banks and railroads and other things.

I think Marx is better read as a philosophy of human history rather than as a blueprint for creating a Communist society.

The reality is Marx is right in the sense that the "ownership class" (those who own the means of production) continue to accumulate wealth and project disproportionate power because they own large amounts of corporate stock and by extension have control over the physical (or digital) means to keep making money. However, in the Western World, no revolution was forthcoming due to (I conjecture) rising standards of living and a consumer-oriented society, along with a blurring of the lines between the "ownership" class and everyone else (via things like stock options, entrepreneurship, Unions, employee rights, etc.), which certainly diluted Marx's eternal class-struggle narrative. Still, at the end of the day, we find ourselves in a Capitalist world where the majority of wealth is concentrated in < 0.0001% of the overall population, which seems to be an undesirable situation.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by fratlas on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:09PM (#14199419)
Has there been studies/hard numbers that would model a world where the top 1% had their wealth more distributed? I'm not talking about pure socialism (equal wealth), I'm suggesting a more bell-curve-like distribution of wealth, and only in western first-world countries. Would the quality of life be (much) higher?
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by nickpsecurity on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:49PM (#14199621)
It was much higher in the U.S. decades ago before the process started where the big companies cut employees and maximize profit for shareholders at the cost of everything else. The layoffs and offshoring alone reduced quality of life for many people. Then there's mega corporations like Walmart that can afford to pay people enough to pay their rent or buy food but intentionally don't. You'd see a bit more competition (and jobs) in mainframes, desktops or mobile if threats to incumbents didn't get hit with their patent or copyright suits. As in, legal monopolies designed to maximize profit of owner at everyone else's expense.

So on and so forth. The centralization of wealth and power into a rich few running a bunch of oligopolies provably harms the many in this country. Directly when there was immediate layoffs, low quality/security, bad services, etc. Then indirectly in long-term and network affects.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by duncan_bayne on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @03:10AM (#14201063)
> Still, at the end of the day, we find ourselves in a Capitalist world where the majority of wealth is concentrated in < 0.0001% of the overall population, which seems to be an undesirable situation.

That doesn't necessarily follow, for reasons you allude to. Massive wealth inequality is a lot more tolerable, if the _poor_ people are (by historical standards) incredibly wealthy.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by socmag on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @06:41AM (#14201960)
Yes this.

Captitalism as it stands is totally unsustainable. Communism too but that was not Marx's idea that his critique should lead to what it became.

Some form of socialism is important. It should be drummed in to people that societal progress is based on individual choices.

Rand got it backwards, Marx got it forwards.

There is a middle ground, I'm sure of it; at least I hope so.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by kmonsen on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:50PM (#14198436)
I think size itself is a real problem, moving from Norway to the US politics are so different it is hard to understand.

I don't think a country the size of the US, China or Russia can really be a democracy governed by and for the people.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by duncan_bayne on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @06:10PM (#14198594)
Size is definitely a problem. Bertrand Russell touched on some of the issues it creates (e.g. signal - votes from the people effected by an issue - gets swamped by noise - votes from people who don't really care).

Personally, I'm a big fan of a couple of approaches that I think would work well in concert:

* Federalism. Devolve as much power as practical down to the State (or, as I suspect will happen, the City-State, level). Taking the USA as an example (I'm not American myself), you'd pare back all of the unconstitutional three-letter-departments (FCC, FDA, EPA, ...) and leave those up to the States.

* Sortition. Don't select the Government by voting, select it by random poll of the citizenry, in much the same way as jury duty is arranged in many countries.

* Libertarianism. Legislate to protect rights and in the case of collective problems (e.g. atmospheric pollution, which may surprise people by being the go-to example Rand reached for as a case where environmental legislation may be justified by human costs), but nothing else.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by lr4444lr on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @07:22PM (#14199135)
Marx''s "solution" was to let Capitalism run its course and entirely crowd out labor with capital, to a point of near-infinite supply and intolerably low demand. Over 100 years later, this has yet to happen. And people generally sympathetic to masdive redistribution call the Laffer Curve "voodoo economics"... Hah!
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by socmag on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @06:47AM (#14201982)
Right, eat chocolates until you are sick.

I don't think Marx anticipated just how many chocolates Eight Billion people were capable of eating.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by xoroshiro on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @07:30PM (#14199192)
>Not thinking so much small, voluntary communes but at the sort of scale of a modern city or State.

Funnily enough, I remember going to some talks about something called "Economy of Communion", to which an audience member asked a similar question.

The response: think globally, act locally. I wish I could remember more about the explanation, and although I remember not being completely satisfied with the answer, I also remember thinking that it made sense and it's probably better than the alternatives.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by socmag on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @06:26PM (#14198713)
Hmmm, well as I see it, Marx, like many luminary geniuses forgot about one thing.

Human Nature.

The ideas in and of themselves were profound but the prescription was unfortunately childishly naive.

That given sufficient resources and everyone pulling together we will all get along is great, but it just takes one self-interested outlier to spoil that soup, and there are plenty of those to go around.

Some people can just never have enough.

Personally I believe self interest is pre-programmed at the genetic level in all species. Dawkins wrote a book about that, and it manifests itself in everything we do individually or across species.

So back to your question, that's a good one.

The only way to make it work is probably some kind of authoritarianism, but perhaps authoritarianism comes in many flavors.

I'm highly suspicious that a single individual can do it. Even if they are a benevolent dictator they can be corrupted by the people who surround them. It really doesn't take much to Gaslight someone and it happens a lot more and in more subtle ways than many of us think.

So what is a more pure form of a benevolent dictator. A computer program with hard rules that we agree upon?

At least it would be consistent.

Then again, the program would be written initially by our own genome, and it better be pretty clever to quickly figure out how to ignore that aspect.

But just imagine it ,a logical machine that only does the right thing to maximize outcome... (Already sounds like the Genome)

Planet in jeopardy, insufficient resources, no way to create more resources? Simple answer, kill a percentage of the populace.

Looks pretty Stalinesque already. But I guess you already know that.

It's a problem for sure.

There are radical ideas to sidestep it, but those would take more than a spoonful of sugar I think to get the medicine to go down.

As far as dictatorship of the proletariat...

"In Marxist sociopolitical thought, the dictatorship of the proletariat refers to a state in which the proletariat, or the working class itself has control of political power."

The big mistake I see in HN is that the members believe themselves to be elites, which for the time being may well be true, and many here are making hay. Probably a wise move.

The truth is we are also soon to be no more than axle turners in wheel factories, and many of us already are.

I'm not a dystopian, I really am an optimist. Hence the desperation.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by state_less on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @07:06PM (#14199026)
Isn't there some middle path? Maybe the reason more and more sound like they want to go in a socialist direction isn't that we are all a bunch of socialist, rather, the pendulum has swung so far in favor of inequity in the USA the reaction has the appearance of socialism.

Many of us are waiting for the day that the wealth is spread to the outer reaches of the populace, those who have not. I suspect, we'd see a huge explosion of wealth for both less and more wealthy people. Here I'm not just talking about dollars on the bank statement, but a happy, enjoyable society to spend you time in. You don't have to step over the homeless person, for example.

Stop concentrating wealth, what does that mean? You're just going to give people stuff? Yep, you get a phone, you get shelter and everyone gets a bed, meal and healthcare.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by socmag on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @06:57AM (#14202026)
Well that's how I run my life and I know a lot of other people do that as well.

We used to talk about having "Fuck You" money back in the day.

What was the amount of cash required to get off the system.

Turns out it isn't that much, and it would be even less if the system was geared around that mentality.

I need groceries, some nice olive oil a nice clean bathroom, perhaps a bottle of wine and watch a couple of movies.

Just provide that to everyone and lay out the propaganda to set the bar that this is all you need.

If you want more than that, taxation should go through the roof on an exponential scale, and not to be fed into the military, but fed to others to get them to the same basic standard.

Anyone with billions in their bank account should be very embarrassed by that fact, and I hope they are.

People have to sleep at night, even them.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by vvpan on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @09:20PM (#14199750)
What's the name of the documentary?
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by socmag on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @01:53AM (#14200762)
Genius of the Modern World: Marx

I think it's an Open University production by the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gpdbx

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by tra3 on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @04:37PM (#14197736)
What do you recommend? Lets remember that the opposite of crazy is still crazy.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by zzzcpan on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:13PM (#14198084)
Not completely opposite. Trying to stay healthy is probably a good thing. But tricking yourself psychologically into a hard working employee is as crazy as it gets. You are not supposed to feel happy for being an employee and making money for someone else, because you are not in control of your own life.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by nxc18 on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:45PM (#14198373)
No one has ever had more control over their life than the privileged few enjoying the 9-5.

In contemporary society, things are nice enough that people typically trade a fraction of their time in exchange for work, income, and reduced risk exposure. This is a nice comfy abstraction over the cold reality that you need resources to live and you need to work and fight to keep living.

The alternatives to this are: a) socialism/communism type deal where the government controls your work output and resource provision; even if it works out (it usually doesn't), you have far less control than you do now. b) unspecialized agriculture-based society; every second of every day is spent producing just enough food and material goods long enough for you to raise children that take over when you die. Your options are limited; you are perilously exposed to acts of God (what happens if the crop fails?). You are not in control. c) hunter-gatherer setup; you are still not in control of your own life. You have no option than to spend the vast majority of your day seeking food (without agriculture you really do need to spend almost all of your time on that work). Ask one of these people what a 'weekend' or 'vacation' looks like.

The reality is, modern society gives you many more options than were possible even 100 years ago. International (and even local) travel is commonplace; you can choose to start a startup or work for yourself; you can choose to buy or not buy hundreds of thousands of products, many of which were not existing or even possible in the recent past; etc. You can even choose to leave it all behind and live on the land.

Don't confuse dissatisfaction with your own life choices with lack of control.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by quickben on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:25PM (#14199503)
That's not true.

An average peasant in the feudalism had more free time than an average 9-5 office worker now.

In fact, the 8 hour work day is a recent feature. When capitalism arrived initially, it was much worse.

The rest of your post shows that you had an easy life, and I'm happy for you. But don't assume everybody can start a startup, travel etc. That's just not the reality out there.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by pdog on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @10:34PM (#14208772)
> An average peasant in the feudalism had more free time than an average 9-5 office worker now.

If you want the lifestyle of a medieval peasant, you can do that now. No one is stopping you.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by rastapasta42 on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:07PM (#14199402)
Working in an organization beneficial for the world while doing a job you enjoy makes it easy to work for long hours and little wages.

But if organization acts immorally and increases profit through unethical methods, it drains motivation and makes employees a lot less inclined to put effort into 9-5 jobs.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by derefr on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:50PM (#14199622)
I mean, presumably, we could get "good enough" at agro-tech and then return everyone to option B, but with everyone just spending 5% of their time maintaining robots to grow themselves food and the rest doing whatever they like.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by Trundle on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:06PM (#14199395)
Hunter gatherers did not spend the vast majority of their time seeking food. That's a myth that greatly perpetuates this nonsense that technology/progress have benefited mankind. They haven't. Things being better than 200 years ago doesn't mean they're better than 20 000 years ago.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by mcguire on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:51PM (#14200302)
That is why the whole agriculture thing never caught on.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by nannePOPI on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:37PM (#14199544)
True, but they were in constant war with other tribes, animals, etc So, they were not better than today.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by Trundle on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:46PM (#14199593)
Disagree. I think tribal warfare and fighting predators are things we are built for and desire to do on a base level, hence why we have (poor) substitutes in team sports, modern hunting, and the action movie. The lack of these things is a loss not a gain.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by derefr on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:52PM (#14199635)
I'd rather not-die not-doing those things, and then participate in simulations of those things, than die doing those things, personally.

Keep in mind that the fidelity of the simulations will only improve with technology (e.g. VR.)

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by Trundle on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @08:59PM (#14199667)
So would I but I think it's important to avoid just using what our current selves want/would do in discussions on what would make happy humans. We're products of our environment. Modern humans would be fucked (and unhappy) if magically transported back 20 000 years myself included, as I believe humans 20 000 years ago would be if transported to now. What's more is that there's an issue of extrapolating what is best for a society as a whole from the wants of the individual even without the differing time period. I or any other person may want a billion dollars but if everyone was suddenly given a billion dollars that wouldn't be a net gain, it'd be an economic catastrophe.

I'm not even 100% on this theory and it's one of my least researched so there's plenty of room for someone to come and slay me with data but I think the discussion definitely needs to come from a place of "pre-agricultural humans living their pre-agricultural life while ignorant of modern life" compared to "modern humans living their modern lives", rather than one of "well why don't you just go live in a forrest if you like it so much!?"

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by mcguire on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:52PM (#14200305)
... unless you are on the losing end.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by Trundle on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @12:10AM (#14200371)
Everyone dies. Savage humans at least had the benefit of a lesser ability to ponder and comprehend the permanence and inevitability of ceasing to exist.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by eeZah7Ux on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @05:47AM (#14201741)
> constant war with other tribes

AFAIK most aboriginal tribes are quite peaceful. Rivalry with other tribes around territory and food sources lead to fights that look closer sparring and rarely lead to any wounded.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by imesh on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @07:02AM (#14202047)
I personally would have been dead at 16 and had a bum knee at 21 without modern medicine.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by jonmb on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:21PM (#14198148)
> But tricking yourself psychologically into a hard working employee is as crazy as it gets. You are not supposed to feel happy for being an employee and making money for someone else, because you are not in control of your own life.

Fortunately there are no rules for what you are supposed to feel happy about. If you are convinced that being an employee means you should not be happy, then that's a (painful) psychological trick as well. Even if you run your own business, you still have customers to satisfy, so are they in control of your life? Regardless if you work for yourself or not, you are always working to provide value to someone else. You are always selling yourself; your abilities & time.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by Stryder on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @07:35PM (#14199230)
Or, to put in a different thought, we are all subject to the physical realities of the world we live in, and we barter and trade what we each have with one another to better control the world itself, while being controlled by it simultaneously.

Or, to put in even another way, Life.

Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by atemerev on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:53PM (#14198453)
I recommend following some of the things mentioned in the article (like taking care of physical and mental health), but not for your own sake, not for the sake of being a good employee. And if you can't handle it at some point -- you are not a bad person, neither have you failed at anything. Self-determination is what matters; and sometimes, you need any help you can get, and not the shame for what you can't do right now.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by skybrian on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @09:49PM (#14199884)
It doesn't seem very specific to capitalism. Most of this advice would work just as well for anyone who has an ambition to accomplish anything, whether it makes money or not.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by jordanb on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @11:04PM (#14200130)
... a pig, in a cage, on antibiotics.
Re:Evidence-based advice we've found on how to be successful... by cust0m on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @03:56PM (#14197388)
what a lucid comment