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Re:Why don’t fish freeze to death in icy water? by teekert on Thursday April 20, 2017 @03:26AM (#14154637)
Why would water (inside the fish) freeze in water (outside the fish)? I mean, the fish are swimming in the liquid form of water which apparently also doesn't freeze so why is it considered strange that they don't freeze? It would be strange if they didn't freeze while being in a block of ice, or if they would be dead blocks of fish-ice floating on liquid water. A non-frozen fish in liquid water is not strange, or am I missing something? The article doesn't really clarify it for me.
Re:Why don’t fish freeze to death in icy water? by stagbeetle on Thursday April 20, 2017 @04:15AM (#14154835)
All bodies of water are not created equal.

The specific, and level of, solutes in the water determines the temperature at which it freezes. Fish are not perfectly permeable membranes, thus the internal freezing point of fish could be higher than the external freezing point of the water.

Fish are also cold-blooded and are at the mercy of their surroundings.

Re:Why don’t fish freeze to death in icy water? by pbhjpbhj on Thursday April 20, 2017 @08:39AM (#14156081)
Or in other words you can freeze non-salt water in liquid salt-water; the salt lowers the temperature at which the mix freezes.

Human blood freezes at about -2degC. Brine can apparently go down to -20degC (source: Wikipedia).

Re:Why don’t fish freeze to death in icy water? by dghughes on Thursday April 20, 2017 @09:19AM (#14156339)
> the salt lowers the temperature at which the mix freezes.

If you make ice cream the old fashioned way you throw in rock salt to lower the temperature below 0C.

You can also chill beer cans sitting in water very fast adding piles of salt to water.

Re:Why don’t fish freeze to death in icy water? by logfromblammo on Thursday April 20, 2017 @12:47PM (#14158352)
You don't actually salt the ice cream. You put salt on ice surrounding the unfrozen cream. Salty ice cream (with the amount of salt necessary to freeze it) would be gross.

Available soluble salt ions lower the melting point of the water to the point where the water-ice would very much prefer to be salt-water at the same temperature. But a phase change requires energy, too. The energy required to melt the ice and dissolve the salt is taken first from cooling of the sugar-water in the cream, then from phase-changing it to solid crystals, then from cooling the solid-phase materials. If the setup has a paddle, that is mainly to transport heat from the center of the cream vessel to the conductive walls, and thereby regulate the size of the crystals.

Cooling beer cans in liquid water by adding salt does not rely on freezing point depression, but the heat of solution for NaCl in H2O, which also contributes slightly to the ice cream system above. You want cold beer fast? Use potassium nitrate (KNO3, saltpeter), as it has nine times the enthalpy of solution as NaCl.

Re:Why don’t fish freeze to death in icy water? by dghughes on Thursday April 20, 2017 @10:58PM (#14162783)
I know since I've done it I've made ice cream that way, I guess I didn't explain it very well.
Re:Why don’t fish freeze to death in icy water? by logfromblammo on Friday April 21, 2017 @11:55AM (#14166658)
Some people have never made it that way, or any other way. Anyone who ever has made it that way would immediately understand.

What a hand-cranked ice-cream bucket might look like in ASCII diagram world:

                   |
              o----o
  ____________|____________
  \\.salt..|~~~~~|..salt.//
   \\######|     |######//
    \\#ice#|cream|#ice#//
     \\####|_____|####//
      \\#############//
       \=============/
Re:Why don’t fish freeze to death in icy water? by dghughes on Monday April 24, 2017 @02:56PM (#14186969)
The one I have has an electric more in place of the hand crank.

I also used to make it by putting the pot of cream mixture into a deep freeze still in the metal pot. Then get an electric hand mixer and mix it while it sat in the deep freezer. I'd do that over and over then for what seemed like 100 liters of milk and cream and hours of work I'd get 500ml of ice cream.

Re:Why don’t fish freeze to death in icy water? by ars on Thursday April 20, 2017 @09:49AM (#14156569)
> adding piles of salt to water.

To ice water, not water.

Re:Why don’t fish freeze to death in icy water? by hudibras on Thursday April 20, 2017 @10:15AM (#14156805)
I was thinking the same thing, but after re-reading it carefully, I think they simply mean "Why doesn't very cold water kill fish?"