I don't think people should have to stick to any "business speak" when working on open source software. You're doing it for fun, and for free, who cares?
Does this matter in personal open-source projects? Not really, forking is a thing. When working with others / at a job, sure.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbda1PpQmAk
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowsay
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Text_Coffee_Pot_Control_...
(P.S. TIL about `$ fortune | cowsay -f head-in`. Hahaha I hadn't seen that before.)
People have been making jokes since the beginning of time.
Have you talked to anyone in a sorority? Its a fraternity for females and they share the same speech quirks.
>. It has nothing to do with insulting frats, just that particular language which is "frat-ish".
That's nice, do you also take offense to things like ebonics because they seem "black-ish"?
I think you're being unintentionally insensitive because you're blind to your own prejudice
I'm not sure what you mean by your last statement. All I was saying is that I'm not trying to insult frats, it's just this language is associated with frats and its how people describe it. I don't think there's anything wrong with it, different groups will always have dialectical quirks like that.
It's in the same category as reddit's "the narwahl bacons at midnight" crap that was all over that site years ago to me. I just find it nauseating.
This is how the "get off my lawn" mentality happens. Older generations don't just become cranky and cantankerous — society shifts out from under them in ways that go against the norms they're accustomed to while they hold the line on the way they perceive that things used to be.
Note I'm not saying that this is the direction things are ultimately going to shift toward. Just that this example is symptomatic of how generational culture shifts happen.
I've already noticed this in myself, and I'm just past thirty. I just don't "get" Snapchat, for example. It's perhaps just one thing right now, but culture changes aren't independent of one-another. You hop off the bandwagon but it keeps going and only ever becomes harder to hop back on.
I'm not sure this is. And if it really bothers (the collective) you that badly:
git clone && rm README.md
The relative tone of this thread and its popularity has me convinced that many are willing to change their culture to match random demands regardless of the objective merit of those demands. Hell, without even critically examining the merit of those demands.
"This language is alienating!"
Says who? And why? Why is this a statement to be taken at pure face value by someone who isn't even claiming to be offended?
I find that lack of principled objection to be horridly offensive, but that's just me.
Not everyone gets every joke after all :)
Close the tab man, it's a click away. We will enjoy the work while you can be at peace. He is not invading your safe space.
Now let us back to important things like deliver software thanks to contributors like him.
No, it's not. It's just users that take free advantage of whatever that person is offering gratis.
And perhaps some more that he'd like to work with him on this -- the rest that don't like his language can take a hike.
By what definition created by who?
- https://qz.com/797559/gender-bias-job-listings-language/
- http://writingcenter.unc.edu/handouts/gender-inclusive-langu...
- https://mit.uloop.com/news/view.php/206562/On-Inclusive-Lang...
* That "bruh" is sexually "excluding language"
* That an actual reasonable person feels "excluded" from using this update monitoring tool based on humor in its readme.
So far, you have done none of those things. Your links argue that sexually exclusionary language 1. exists and 2. is a problem. Nothing more.
What definition:
- language that feels unwelcoming to people (all three articles)
- language that studies show excludes people (Quartz article)
Who:
- people affected by exclusive language (MIT article)
- people who research exclusive language (Quartz article)
> * That "bruh" is sexually "excluding language"
It's gendered language, which all the aforelinked sources list as exclusive
> * That an actual reasonable person feels "excluded" from using this update monitoring tool based on humor in its readme.
We don't need to prove the same case over and over for every single word. Gendered terms have been shown to be exclusive + "bruh" is a gendered term = bruh is exclusive
..in certain contexts, where maximum inclusivity is the actual goal, if not the law.
Why is maximum inclusivity the goal here, again? Why must it be?
My earlier assessment appears to be correct. No person can be pointed to that actually feels excluded by this, and so all this sturm und drang is about hypothetical straw people.
This conversation is no longer interesting.
No, you just ignored the studies showing that this is excluding people.
BTW, tokenization is also discriminatory: https://www.forbes.com/sites/amanialkhat/2016/02/29/amani-al...
Starting points:
- Humor
- Context
for the context I come from a background that makes it possuble for me to get offended by a lot of things.
I still choose not to care anymore and it is actually way better.
if you like the idea and not the verbiage, change it.
if you like the idea and dont mind the verbiage, no issue.
if you dont like the idea, then you dont need the tool
It's humor. Lighthearted humor, and it's pretty hilarious to see everyone here get completely puffed up and bent out of shape about it, entirely because It Doesn't Conform To The Language Convention You're Supposed To Use Here.
Professionals push back towards professionalism, which should be free from micro-culture in jokes. The profession is international, and there are many indulging in this who do not have the perspective to recognize the actual cost of insularity.
More to the point bro-grammer crap is explicitly barrier-raising. Clique-based behavior, however graced with knowing winks, led directly to the current crisis of culture in the Valley in general, and start-up culture in particular.
As such it is most definitely at best in the category of funny-once.
And the joke played out long ago.
Because I have a definition that states you use the best tool for the job at hand, rather than choosing (yes, choosing) to complain loudly about poorly-described-and-argued ancillary matters which don't directly impact the operation of said tool.
I reject the idea that "professionalism" means that the cheeky, mischevious humor that has basically defined the hacker spirit for decades must be stamped out or suppressed.
Words matter. There are plenty of studies that show e.g. certain language in job listings discourages women from applying: https://qz.com/797559/gender-bias-job-listings-language/
When it can be reasonably proven that this is actually happening in this case. A reasonable start would be finding a real (as opposed to straw) person who feels "excluded".
If "bruh" is legitimately "excluding people from the community" in this context (And let's be honest here: a job posting is not equivalent in any way to a readme on a git repo), then by all means, let's have the conversation.
If it isn't? This is all just noise. Worse, actively harmful and distracting noise.
If "wat", "bruh" and "performance gainzzz" (of all things.. we're not talking about slurs here) in a readme actually gets people to self select out of using an update checker, I find it very hard to see that as anything other than a positive for people who want to work, rather than debate sociology.
...not that I think that was an intentional goal of the author.
echo "This is available on most of the servers that run the internet" | cowsay -f head-in
The thing is, if you don't like it and get stuck on lingo, there's a good chance you're going to be left behind by the future. Your complaint is a symptom of falling into the out-group of the cutting edge, into becoming part of The Previous Generation.