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Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by eli on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @01:26PM (#14149668)
There's no reason to go out of your way to create the feeling of an in-group and an out-group.
Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by stouset on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @03:05PM (#14150741)
That you think this is intentional unfortunately probably reinforces GP's point.

This is how the "get off my lawn" mentality happens. Older generations don't just become cranky and cantankerous — society shifts out from under them in ways that go against the norms they're accustomed to while they hold the line on the way they perceive that things used to be.

Note I'm not saying that this is the direction things are ultimately going to shift toward. Just that this example is symptomatic of how generational culture shifts happen.

I've already noticed this in myself, and I'm just past thirty. I just don't "get" Snapchat, for example. It's perhaps just one thing right now, but culture changes aren't independent of one-another. You hop off the bandwagon but it keeps going and only ever becomes harder to hop back on.

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by Karunamon on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @01:27PM (#14149683)
There's also no reason to go out of your way to demand that the author of a tool structure their readme doc according to your own personal opinion on social norms in the context of a damned update monitoring tool - especially for something as utterly inoffensive as "bruh".
Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by duiker101 on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @01:46PM (#14149905)
Without heating up the discussion. I think it depends. If you want you tool or else be just "a damned x whatever" then you can feel free to use whatever lingo you want. But if you would like to be taken seriously then a more appropriate language might be needed. And it's not to be uppity or anything, it's just that the broader the audience, the more understandable and out of your "in-group" it has to be. If that's what you want obviously. There is nothing wrong with wanting something to stay just "in".
Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by Karunamon on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @01:50PM (#14149967)
But if you would like to be taken seriously

I'm not sure this is. And if it really bothers (the collective) you that badly:

  git clone && rm README.md
There is nothing wrong with wanting something to stay just "in".

The relative tone of this thread and its popularity has me convinced that many are willing to change their culture to match random demands regardless of the objective merit of those demands. Hell, without even critically examining the merit of those demands.

"This language is alienating!"

Says who? And why? Why is this a statement to be taken at pure face value by someone who isn't even claiming to be offended?

I find that lack of principled objection to be horridly offensive, but that's just me.

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by Retric on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @02:04PM (#14150123)
And why? If your word choice means 50+% of the target population has no idea what you mean then it's a poor choice.
Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by Karunamon on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @02:07PM (#14150153)
If the goal of the author was to do anything other than sprinkle in some inoffensive humor. ("wat", "performance gainnzzzz")

Not everyone gets every joke after all :)

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by sametmax on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @01:36PM (#14149798)
The guy is providing a free tool coded on his own time without being paid. He can write the README the god damn way he wants.
Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by jakelazaroff on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @01:47PM (#14149928)
This is a community, and they're using alienating language. The fact that they did it for free has nothing to do with whether or not we should discourage that behavior.
Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by sametmax on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @02:58PM (#14150684)
So ? The author doesn't owe you any behavior as long as it's legal. Freedom of speech doesn't mean he can do only things as long as they don't offend anyone.

Close the tab man, it's a click away. We will enjoy the work while you can be at peace. He is not invading your safe space.

Now let us back to important things like deliver software thanks to contributors like him.

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by coldtea on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @02:19PM (#14150276)
>This is a community

No, it's not. It's just users that take free advantage of whatever that person is offering gratis.

And perhaps some more that he'd like to work with him on this -- the rest that don't like his language can take a hike.

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by Karunamon on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @01:51PM (#14149972)
alienating language

By what definition created by who?

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by jakelazaroff on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @02:10PM (#14150184)
There's plenty of research and best practices on how language can be inclusive or exclusive. Here are some links if you're interested:

- https://qz.com/797559/gender-bias-job-listings-language/

- http://writingcenter.unc.edu/handouts/gender-inclusive-langu...

- https://mit.uloop.com/news/view.php/206562/On-Inclusive-Lang...

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by Karunamon on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @02:17PM (#14150263)
That is an answer to a question I didn't ask. As I explained in the other reply, you'd need to simultaneously prove:

* That "bruh" is sexually "excluding language"

* That an actual reasonable person feels "excluded" from using this update monitoring tool based on humor in its readme.

So far, you have done none of those things. Your links argue that sexually exclusionary language 1. exists and 2. is a problem. Nothing more.

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by jakelazaroff on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @02:23PM (#14150323)
> By what definition created by who?

What definition:

- language that feels unwelcoming to people (all three articles)

- language that studies show excludes people (Quartz article)

Who:

- people affected by exclusive language (MIT article)

- people who research exclusive language (Quartz article)

> * That "bruh" is sexually "excluding language"

It's gendered language, which all the aforelinked sources list as exclusive

> * That an actual reasonable person feels "excluded" from using this update monitoring tool based on humor in its readme.

We don't need to prove the same case over and over for every single word. Gendered terms have been shown to be exclusive + "bruh" is a gendered term = bruh is exclusive

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by Karunamon on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @02:32PM (#14150409)
Gendered terms have been shown to be exclusive

..in certain contexts, where maximum inclusivity is the actual goal, if not the law.

Why is maximum inclusivity the goal here, again? Why must it be?

My earlier assessment appears to be correct. No person can be pointed to that actually feels excluded by this, and so all this sturm und drang is about hypothetical straw people.

This conversation is no longer interesting.

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by jakelazaroff on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @03:03PM (#14150723)
> No person can be pointed to that actually feels excluded by this, and so all this sturm und drang is about hypothetical straw people.

No, you just ignored the studies showing that this is excluding people.

BTW, tokenization is also discriminatory: https://www.forbes.com/sites/amanialkhat/2016/02/29/amani-al...

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by reitanqild on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @03:04PM (#14150724)
Maybe you need to read a bit.

Starting points:

- Humor

- Context

for the context I come from a background that makes it possuble for me to get offended by a lot of things.

I still choose not to care anymore and it is actually way better.

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by rhizome on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @04:20PM (#14151395)
Using minority rhetoric to criticize minority behavior is a classic reversal that is closely related to arguments for "reverse racism." It's not a good look.
Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by bisby on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @01:34PM (#14149765)
damned open source update monitoring tool, where you can change the verbiage if you really don't like it.

if you like the idea and not the verbiage, change it.

if you like the idea and dont mind the verbiage, no issue.

if you dont like the idea, then you dont need the tool

Re:Why-did-you-update – Warnings about unnecessary React upd... by eli on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @01:51PM (#14149971)
What? Who demanded changes?