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Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by berberous on Monday April 17, 2017 @11:20AM (#14131525)
If you are not interested in Zelda though, there is almost zero reason to spend the money on a Switch right now.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by UnoriginalGuy on Monday April 17, 2017 @12:13PM (#14132015)
That's my concern for the Christmas period.

A lot of Nintendo fans are early adopters, that's why they're buying a console with one significant game in March. For the general public they need to have more on offer than that.

Here are new AAA games which we are assured will be out by Christmas: Zelda Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Skylanders, NBA 2K18, Arms, Splatoon 2.

There's tons of indie names (e.g. Shovel Knight) or older games (e.g. Skyrim) but those aren't "system movers" as they're already out on every other major platform. Meaning people won't be buying a Switch to play those.

No doubt you're moaning about me leaving out Super Mario Odyssey, but at the time of writing SMO has no set release date only a vague "TBD, Holiday 2017." As does Project Sonic 2017. Nintendo games overrun their release date as much as other publishers, therefore one cannot be assured SMO will ship before the big holiday period.

If you look beyond 2017, it remains pretty slim pickings for the Switch. Likely until at least summer 2018 we won't see more than perhaps half a dozen exclusive AAA games on the console. We still have no assurance that the mainstream Pokemon franchise will be developed for the console.

The Wii U also sold fairly well early in its life, but sales dried up and never recovered with publishers avoiding it due its poor sales performance. The key thing for the Switch to do is to consistently sell, to give publishers enough confidence that when they target the platform that the effort will pay for itself.

It all remains to be seen. I'll be paying close attention to Christmas 2017 sales figures because it might be the life or death of the Switch.

Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by j2bax on Monday April 17, 2017 @01:31PM (#14132787)
>The key thing for the Switch to do is to consistently sell, to give publishers enough confidence that when they target the platform that the effort will pay for itself.

I think the prospect of putting AAA games on a portable system, will draw a lot of AAA studios to take the risk, if their game can be run on the hardware. I think the portability factor is a large factor of why they are selling so fast despite the lack of games right now. I think people want to see what its like to play non-junk/freemium/IAP driven games on the go. At least it was a major factor for me. I can't wait to play Mario Kart with my co-workers at lunch!

Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by swsieber on Monday April 17, 2017 @05:15PM (#14134477)
The form factor thing is amazing. I didn't think I'd get much use out of it, but I do. I get a lot. It's so incredibly convenient.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by MBCook on Monday April 17, 2017 @12:34PM (#14132244)
Zelda is (supposed to be) amazing (haven't played it), Mario Kart 8 was amazing, and Splatoon was amazing (assuming sequel will be).

TONS of gamers didn't get to play any of them because the WiiU sold so poorly, so for a great many people they're 'new' games and worth buying the system for.

Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by UnoriginalGuy on Monday April 17, 2017 @12:40PM (#14132303)
Almost all Wii U games don't have a release date for the Switch yet. If they can get the entire Wii U back catalogue released by Christmas 2017 that would definitely help, but that's a big "if" and Nintendo hasn't claimed that they're trying to.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by derefr on Monday April 17, 2017 @03:00PM (#14133491)
> There's tons of indie names (e.g. Shovel Knight) or older games (e.g. Skyrim) but those aren't "system movers" as they're already out on every other major platform.

You know, I'm not sure. Those games are out for other home consoles, sure—but the Switch is not, precisely, a home console. Its form-factor makes it not just a substitute good for an XBO or PS4, but also a substitute good for a 3DS or an iPad. You know, a thing you buy for your kid to play with on car-trips.

And that means that those older and Indie titles—which wouldn't see very high attach-rates when ported onto current-gen home consoles—might fare a bit better, because they're reaching a market which didn't have access to them before. You can't play Skyrim on an iPad or a 3DS.

Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by runevault on Monday April 17, 2017 @01:37PM (#14132830)
I would argue the Switch looks to have the 2nd best true exclusive lineup (edit: coming out this year) at worst (PC + console isn't true exclusive). XBox One doesn't have a whole lot coming out you cannot get elsewhere, PS4 has a decent lineup (Nioh, Persona 5, Horizon off the top of my head), but with Zelda + Mario Odyssey + Splatoon 2 + Xenoblade Chronicles 2 they have a pretty solid first year. The problem being what will they have coming out year 2 to add on to that? Only so many dev teams at Nintendo and they are putting out a LOT of first and second party content this year.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by flukus on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @04:26AM (#14137237)
It seems they're having the opposite problem and have already had to double production. If nintendo thinks they could sell massive numbers over Christmas then they might delay mario to push more consoles in the new year.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by _ph_ on Monday April 17, 2017 @11:28AM (#14131608)
There are a couple of very nice third-party games available on the switch now too (Snipperclips are great!) and the updated Mario Cart is just a week away. But indeed, Zelda would be the main reason to get one right now.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by slantyyz on Monday April 17, 2017 @12:28PM (#14132174)
But unlike the original Wii, there's no Wii Sports to get people who would normally not even buy a console to buy in.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by drzaiusapelord on Monday April 17, 2017 @01:00PM (#14132494)
The Wii and Wii sports was a freakshow level of success. It tapped into a lot of things Nintendo simply is not going to be able to reproduce: aging gamers with few casual gaming outlets, the novelty of motion controls, half the cost of a xbox/ps, etc.

It really had no competitors. PS Move, while a nice technical effort, came too late and didn't have the developer support needed. The Kinect failed also for the same reasons on top of lacking a holdable controller so Kinect-games were ultimately forced to be super simple as waving and moving around can only do so much.

The Wii U had these types of games and they didn't blow up like the original Wii. I think its fair to say no one expected the Wii to take off like it did and unrealistic to expect Nintendo to follow the same formula and to get the same results. If anything, motion control games died fairly quickly as the fad ran itself out and are only coming back now as a much needed accessory for pricey VR systems.

Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by slantyyz on Monday April 17, 2017 @01:17PM (#14132649)
To a much lesser degree, Brain Age did the same for the Nintendo DS. It expanded the DS market to a lot of non-traditional buyers.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by MBCook on Monday April 17, 2017 @02:05PM (#14133059)
Nintendogs also caused a huge jump in sales.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by Joeri on Monday April 17, 2017 @03:09PM (#14133575)
The wii is still really fun and quite different as gaming experience from regular consoles. I booted it up today just for fun and ended up playing mario galaxy for hours with my 5yo cheering me on. Playing my ps4 is also fun, but not as relaxing and definitely not as approachable.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by fredleblanc on Monday April 17, 2017 @12:40PM (#14132300)
To be fair, the Wii U had these — arguably better versions of all the sports — and that wasn't a large draw for that.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by slantyyz on Monday April 17, 2017 @12:49PM (#14132396)
To me, part of the problem was that Wii Sports Club for WiiU wasn't a free pack in.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by Apocryphon on Monday April 17, 2017 @01:46PM (#14132906)
What about 1-2 Switch?
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by MBCook on Monday April 17, 2017 @02:05PM (#14133050)
Reviews haven't been very friendly to 1-2 Switch. Seems like it should have been a freebie/pack-in or at least very cheap (say $10-20).
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by ajmurmann on Monday April 17, 2017 @04:15PM (#14134026)
This to me is up there in dumb Nintendo decisions together with calling it "Wii U" and discontinuing the mini NES. Did they really think anybody would pay $50 for that? 1-2 Switch like Wii Sports was a perfect demo of the system and everybody should get it for free to entice them.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by jorvi on Monday April 17, 2017 @12:39PM (#14132289)
> Mario Cart

I'm imaging Mario & Co racing around in shopping carts, grabbing and tossing bananas etc..

Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by kbutler on Monday April 17, 2017 @04:18PM (#14134050)
That's about right.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by scotu on Monday April 17, 2017 @12:47PM (#14132383)
totally plausible nintendo game. In a good way
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by Apocryphon on Monday April 17, 2017 @01:46PM (#14132912)
Not a bad approach to continue evolving the series
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by mathw on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @04:19AM (#14137210)
We need a supermarket battle arena!
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by city41 on Monday April 17, 2017 @01:17PM (#14132659)
SnipperClips is a fun game, but I can't imagine anyone could say it justifies spending $300+.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by lancewiggs on Monday April 17, 2017 @05:30PM (#14134581)
This version of Zelda is astonishingly great - very different to others in the franchise.

It's a completely free and open world, no grinding required, with simple gameplay yet with challenging layers that appeal to the folks with wanting more, a beautiful environment with amazing weather and climate differences and so on. Above all there is no in-app purchases required. It's a reminder of what games on the iPad could have been.

Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by Karunamon on Monday April 17, 2017 @11:36AM (#14131668)
This is the boat I'm in. BOTW is the only triple-A game on the platform right now. Even their eshop has a dearth of content available, much of it ridiculously overpriced.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by bphogan on Monday April 17, 2017 @12:15PM (#14132037)
This.

However, I am having a lot of fun with Graceful Explosion Machine and Fast RMX. They don't have the depth of BOTW, but they are good games that are worth the price tag. If there can be more games like those, the Switch could do well in the long run.

Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by miend on Monday April 17, 2017 @02:10PM (#14133103)
I also heard Psyonix was considering bringing Rocket League to the platform. If they do, that would be another very good reason to get it. But I agree that BotW would be the only reason I'm interested in the console at all -- similar to how cooperative Monster Hunter experiences with friends would be the only reason I would consider one of their traditional handhelds.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by dragontamer on Monday April 17, 2017 @12:52PM (#14132420)
You gotta try 8-player Bomberman. Its a damn good party game.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by babuskov on Monday April 17, 2017 @02:28PM (#14133230)
Idk. I watched some videos of it on YouTube and the fun factor it seems to be well below the Atomic Bomberman on PC.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by dragontamer on Monday April 17, 2017 @03:53PM (#14133885)
The important bit of party games is to meet your friends face-to-face and sit on the couch together.

Its rare to find 8-player party games with simple controls that anybody can get into.

Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by babuskov on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:43PM (#14140356)
We just bring the laptops, set up a LAN game and 7-8 of us sit in the same room. It does involve bringing some hardware along, but it isn't a big deal. We used to do it quite often.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by dragontamer on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @05:27PM (#14143082)
Hmm... I can name at least 3 people who don't even have a laptop who were enjoying themselves in the last 8-player Bomberman game I played on the Switch.

I like LAN parties, but the whole concept of them is kinda limited to the nerdy crowd. I'm totally a nerd btw, I go to conventions and play in those LAN rooms and stuff.

But opening up gameplay to my general non-nerd friends only happens through couch gaming. A lot of my friends straight up wouldn't get a chance to play in a LAN-party setup. But they come over and have fun with Mario Kart, Puyo Tetris, Smash, or most recently... Bomberman.

Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by babuskov on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:58PM (#14198488)
Ok, I'm almost convinced now. I do have friends who come over and don't want to bring their laptops, esp. people with kids. Perhaps I will try it.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by jczhang on Monday April 17, 2017 @01:18PM (#14132664)
by that logic, everyone should just get Wii U and Zelda instead of switch.
Re:Switch Is Nintendo's 'Fastest Selling' System in History by rocky1138 on Monday April 17, 2017 @03:03PM (#14133514)
Even if you are interested in Zelda, consider getting the Wii U version and playing it on your PC using Cemu. That's what I'll be doing.