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Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by fernly on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @08:57PM (#14093935)
I and my wife have given month-long trials to HelloFresh, HomeChef, and Blue Apron. We stayed with HelloFresh longest; its recipes suited us (we added a couple of their dishes to our family repertoire and use them regularly). Blue Apron's recipes seemed too complicated and I don't remember what we didn't like about HomeChef, probably meal choice generally.

Something not noted in the linked article is that all three let you select your 3 or 4 meals from a wider menu with at least 6 choices. So if you don't like sweet potatoes, as someone noted here, you could usually avoid them.

The linked article ends with what is probably the most common knock on all these companies: the uncomfortable feeling that the packaging is a huge first-world-privileged waste of resources. For example: if a recipe calls for balsamic vinegar, there will be one little plastic bottle containing 1.5oz of balsamic with a twist-off metal screw cap and a tiny label. Or there will be three, one-Tbsp tear-open foil packets of soy sauce, or exactly two green onions in a zip-lock baggie. And so on.

All the companies will claim with marginal truth that all the packaging can be recycled. The little plastic bottle goes in the blue bin. The baggies go in your plastic-film bag (if your recycler takes plastic film). You break down the big cardboard box and fold that into the bin.

But for temperature control the box is lined with an insulating blanket. That's usually a "space-blanket" type foil and plastic thing that is not recyclable, or else it's an inch-thick paper-and-jute blanket that you can put in with your garden-trimmings green bin.

And the freeze bags! Two or three plastic bags of frozen gel. You have to drop them in the bathtub and let them thaw, which takes hours (they are very effective), then you can cut them open, pour the gel into the toilet and flush it, and only then put the deflated bag into the plastic-film bag for recycling (if supported).

That's a lot of work to assuage first-world-privilege guilt. It's the main reason we finally gave up on the real convenience and interest of the meal services.

Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by mdesq on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @09:11PM (#14093998)
Packaging is exactly my main issue with these as well (HelloFresh has been our favorite too). I go to the local farmers' market every weekend and could go to another nearby one more frequently; I wish someone would coordinate the recipes, instructions, and quantities from local ingredients. I'd happily pay extra to just pick up the raw ingredients collected together with some instruction sheets on what to make when.
Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by burkemw3 on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @11:10PM (#14094427)
You can access all the Blue Apron recipes without a subscription: https://www.blueapron.com/cookbook/all/all/Next%20Week

We still use these, and buy ingredients ourselves. I don't usually do the farmer's market shopping, but I do find some of their recipes respecting the season.

Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by fernly on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @10:54PM (#14094359)
They could cut some of the packaging by requiring the user to have a wider range of stock items. They could send you an email on Saturday saying, "to prepare your menu selection arriving Tuesday, you will need: Soy Sauce, White Wine Vinegar,..." If you have 'em, fine, if not, you have a couple of days to stock up. That would eliminate the fairy's bottles of vinegar etc. (and lower costs?).

But there's no way around the insulation and frozen gel-packs, and I think they should close the loop on those and take them back. Just say, throw the gel-packs in the box with all the plastic containers, slap this label on the outside, and UPS will take the box away when they drop off next week's food.

Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by karlshea on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @11:16PM (#14094455)
> I think they should close the loop on those and take them back. Just say, throw the gel-packs in the box with all the plastic containers, slap this label on the outside, and UPS will take the box away when they drop off next week's food.

They do: http://origin-blog.blueapron.com/recycling-faq/

You collect a couple of shipments worth of packaging, stuff it in a box, and print out a label for it from your account.

Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by rspeer on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @03:25AM (#14095537)
I don't know about you, but to me, packing, label-printing, taping, and shipping a box of trash a couple of times a week, sounds like a less enjoyable chore than going grocery shopping.
Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by fernly on Saturday April 15, 2017 @01:58AM (#14119606)
I did not know this while I was a blue apron user. Thank you.
Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by teekert on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @03:04AM (#14095429)
"to prepare your menu selection arriving Tuesday, you will need: Soy Sauce, White Wine Vinegar,..." If you have 'em, fine, if not, you have a couple of days to stock up. That would eliminate the fairy's bottles of vinegar etc. (and lower costs?)."

That sounds like a really good idea. We also tried Hello Fresh, but indeed, many things we already owned in bigger bottles. Combine it with a lower price indeed and I wonder what it will mean for sales.

By the way, our local supermarkets are also starting to make these packages of "everything you need for one meal for 2 or 4". You can also have them delivered. In general though they are much more expensive then taking the products from the shelves, but that is to be expected. Robotozation of large stores combined with self-picking up of crates of supplies can fix that too (we have that at some stores, minus the robots).

Meanwhile here (in the Netherlands), you see more and more small electric vehicles delivering groceries around the city and picking up and bringing back elderly that want to shop. Things are really changing.

Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by throwaway9475 on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @01:39PM (#14099875)
I'm confused. How is this different from just following a recipe and going to the grocery store?
Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by teh_klev on Friday April 14, 2017 @04:22AM (#14113258)
Well, there's probably a bunch of ingredients most folks will have in their larder/pantry cupboard e.g. salt, pepper, vinegar, one or two jars of spices (say, chilli, paprika), stock cubes... the sort of thing you can easily pick up from a regular supermarket or your local 7-11.

The more "exotic" ingredients would come with the box. For example, I'm kinda rural, so fresh herbs such as coriander and parsley aren't easy to come by. Fernly is suggesting that company's like Blue Apron should recommend always stocking certain long life standard ingredients that are commonly used in their recipes. They could perhaps even have this as an option on your account so that you get a bit of a discount for agreeing to hold these ingredients rather than having them sent out in tiny amounts in wasteful packaging.

Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by curun1r on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @01:49AM (#14095103)
> I wish someone would coordinate the recipes, instructions, and quantities from local ingredients

You might look into joining a CSA. I bought a 4-box trial for my parents as a gift and they were pretty happy with it. It's all local and comes packed in a single cardboard box with no plastic...about as ecological as you can get. The friend that recommended it to me claimed there was a forum site where people traded recipe ideas for how to use the items in the box.

My parents decided not to renew, but for a rather comical reason. They got in the habit of reusing the plastic bags they buy vegetables in to pick up after their dog. They realized if they continued to get their vegetables from the CSA, they'd have to figure out a different strategy for picking up poop.

Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by antoniuschan99 on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @12:09AM (#14094679)
I'm using HelloFresh as well too.

Overall, very happy with the service :).

As for the packaging gel thing. With HelloFresh you're supposed to keep them and wait a few weeks for it to fill up a box then let them know and they will come and pick it up.

Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by cardamomo on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @06:48AM (#14096434)
Some farmer's markets provide seasonal recipes based on what's at the market that week. For example, GrowNYC, the organization that runs Greenmarkets in NYC, often has its own stand at markets that has information, recipes, and even samples for customers. If this is a service you want from your farmer's market, talk to the organizers—I'm sure they'll be receptive.
Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by irvani on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @09:20AM (#14097346)
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Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by fernly on Saturday April 15, 2017 @02:02AM (#14119616)
I can't tell for sure but it looks as if you are specific to the Atlanta area? I'm on the other side of the continent.
Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by Baeocystin on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @05:32AM (#14096083)
Just throw them out as needed. There is no shortage of appropriate dump sites, and consumer recycling across the board is only marginally worth it at best.

https://www.bustle.com/articles/125641-is-recycling-worth-it...

(Ignore the buzzfeed-worthy title. The links within are good.)

The only consumer-side materials worth recycling as things stand are aluminum, paper, & cardboard. Everything else takes more energy to recycle than it saves.

(not counting specific, specialty recycling needs like lead-acid batteries or electronics. These cost significant money to recycle, but are done so for environmental reasons.)

Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by cardamomo on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @06:34AM (#14096357)
This is beside the parent comment​er's point. They are specifically trying to avoid throwing anything away, because they feel uncomfortable with the amount of additional waste these services generate.
Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by Baeocystin on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @08:10AM (#14096834)
My point is that doing so is counterproductive.

Energy/carbon costs should be the driver when choosing appropriate consumer behavior, and recycling does a surprisingly poor job of keeping overall energy costs low.

Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by liuhenry on Sunday April 16, 2017 @06:40PM (#14127961)
I think the idea was to avoid generating the single-serve packaging waste in the first place (i.e., buying longer-term ingredients in bulk, going to the grocery store).

Of course there's still bag and packaging waste at the grocery store and the energy costs of individual transportation to the store, keeping the lights on, etc.

Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by throwaway9475 on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @01:41PM (#14099898)
It's true. Most of our climate issues don't come from teeny tiny packets of soy sauce. Consumer recycling might make people feel warm and fuzzy, but remember that a few years ago BP spilled 780,000 cubic meters (780 cubic kilometers) into the Gulf of Mexico.
Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by eatplayrove on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @04:34PM (#14101484)
That's not how units go however. 780,000 cubic meters is 0.00078 cubic km.
Re:Inside Blue Apron’s Meal Kit Machine by throwaway9475 on Wednesday April 12, 2017 @06:08PM (#14102199)
Well-played! I was testing you! Not really; I made a mistake. Still, though, I'm not doubting that packaging in aggregate isn't a problem, but as far as anyone individually is concerned, a few bits of plastic are the least of the planet's concerns.