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Re:Fact Check now available in Google Search and News by rayiner on Friday April 07, 2017 @04:29PM (#14063247)
> "The US has lower unemployment than in 2010, and higher unemployment than in 2000." Fact.

Define "unemployment." Our labor force participation rate is down from 2010: http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/563caf319dd7ccfc418....

Re:Fact Check now available in Google Search and News by paulddraper on Friday April 07, 2017 @08:44PM (#14064574)
I use "unemployment" in the way it is always used.

If I meant "labor participation" (a very good measure too), I would​ have said that.

Re:Fact Check now available in Google Search and News by Jommi on Saturday April 08, 2017 @01:17PM (#14067906)
"They way it is always used"

Dude. We're trying to talk about things in an absolutely neutral and objective way and you come up with that sentence? How can anyone ever prove what definition is "always used"???

Re:Fact Check now available in Google Search and News by alphapapa on Friday April 14, 2017 @02:35PM (#14116196)
The "unemployment rate" is a specific number produced by the government. Whether it's useful or accurate compared to other numbers (e.g. labor participation rate) is another matter.
Re:Fact Check now available in Google Search and News by vsl on Saturday April 08, 2017 @05:34AM (#14066156)
Which of the several differently defined ways it is always used?
Re:Fact Check now available in Google Search and News by MagnumOpus on Friday April 07, 2017 @05:25PM (#14063621)
Take the definition that is given by the relevant government agency, which is the BLS's U-3 measure. (Now you might argue that U-6 is also a valid measure etc etc, but only a Breitbart writer or somebody willfully ignorant would confound unemployment with labour force participation.)
Re:Fact Check now available in Google Search and News by rayiner on Friday April 07, 2017 @05:49PM (#14063763)
It's completely irrational to exclude "the percentage of people who aren't employed" from the set of possible definitions of "unemployment." Each of the various measures of unemployment captures meaningful information about the economy.

Labor force participation rate lets you look at important trends in the economy. For example, labor force participation went way up when barriers to women entering the work place were removed. Women didn't want to all be stay-at-home moms, but the economy didn't offer them any other opportunities. These days, drastically more of the population is going to post-secondary education, which tends to drive down the labor force participation rate. But that's really a paradoxical phenomenon when you think about it, because at the same time, the costs of such education are skyrocketing. Why do people eat the cost (including the opportunity cost) of going to college? Is it because of the love of learning? No, it's because the economy doesn't offer them alternatives.

Of course you can't count every student or retiree or stay at home mom as unemployed. Many don't want to be working. But it's equally irrational to assume (as the BLS does), that none of them want to be working.

Re:Fact Check now available in Google Search and News by harryh on Friday April 07, 2017 @09:57PM (#14064826)
Paul Krugman on U6:

"Again, this could clearly deviate from the Platonic ideal, but it’s a reasonable stab at the problem."

https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/there-is-no-tru...