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Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by cameldrv on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:28AM (#14030047)
Usually Internet (and real life) shitstorms are made when two assholes collide. Customer may be an asshole trying to stick it to the little indiegogo guy in a way he knows will have a disproportionate impact. On the other hand, the iPhone app does really suck and crashes constantly. Even big companies can't seem to make reliable software these days. All of that said, you went into business, so time to put on the big boy pants and be a professional. You sold the guy a device that comes with a service, and is useless without it. Don't pretend that you can just cut off the service because you don't like the guy and you've still fulfilled your obligations as a manufacturer.

On a broader note, IoT hardware that you install in your house that needs a service provided by a shaky startup company is going to cease to be a salable product fairly soon as more people get burned by it. We really need a low-attack-surface, standardized protocol to control and monitor these things without the support of the manufacturer. If we could make universal remote controls for AV equipment in the eighties, we ought to be able to make a universal remote control for home gadgets in the '10s.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by qqg3 on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @04:31AM (#14030613)
> trying to stick it to the little indiegogo guy

If it was purchased from Amazon the customer may not know anything about the indiegogo or the size of the "company". Just expected to get a working product.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by dawnerd on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @04:40AM (#14030651)
Shouldn't matter indiegogo or not, a product SHOULD work.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by lsaferite on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @08:40AM (#14031905)
MQTT Perhaps? You could have a simple MQTT broker in your house that's the gateway to your in-home MQTT controlled/monitored devices. Your broker could easily establish bridge connections to other brokers for specific namespaces. Just need a simple method to define these needed bridge connections for the devices in the home. I'd feel a hell of a lot safer if all of my IoT type devices had zero access to the internet directly.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by erikb on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @02:32AM (#14030058)
Well, he's also offering a refund. Not sure where the problem is in that case with the service provider's response. If you have sh*tty customers it's smart to drop them fast and focus on your good customers.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by kungtotte on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @03:35AM (#14030337)
Yeah, he bricked the device and then told him his only option was to return and refund through Amazon.

Let's not pretend that Garadget is somehow being magnanimous here.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by erikb on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @03:45AM (#14030380)
What device? The cloud-enabled device he sold himself? What I understand is that he's blocking that user from using the cloud.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by Steve0 on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @04:26AM (#14030590)
Yes, the device the user paid 99 dollars for and is now useless. So for the user to get his money back he has to send back the device.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by erikb on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @08:11AM (#14031667)
And? That's how it works.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by kungtotte on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @09:01AM (#14032082)
He doesn't like the customer's tone of voice so he can decide to turn the customer's device into a $99 paperweight? That's not at all how it works.

You're being strangely defensive over this whole thread and I'm going to echo another commenter in asking, are you affiliated with Garadget in any way?

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by erikb on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @10:49AM (#14042456)
That's how cloud services work. If you buy a cloud service, then F up with the cloud provider, your cloud device is worthless.

And there's really no problem with it, since you can get your money back. You don't lose any money.

> are you affiliated with Garadget in any way?

Let's say it's true. Would I say it, after going so far of somehow getting a 2843 days old HN account for it? Or let's say I'm not. Why would I even bother to answer to anyone but a moderator (who would probably send me an email in that case)? So, what's your point? Trying to discredit a discussion partner because you run out of arguments?

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by hluska on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @09:53AM (#14032572)
That's how it works if you're a shitty, unethical company that has no business being involved in the security space.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by stale2002 on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @10:22AM (#14032866)
No. That's probably illegal.

Don't break the law.

It doesn't matter what fine print the customer signed, if the contract is illegal.

Consumer protection laws protect us from this BS.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by erikb on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @10:52AM (#14042481)
I don't think that point is as clear as you imagine. Really bricking a device may be illegal (and is probably already contested enough in front of a judge that a lawyer can tell you the details). But this device probably works 100% the same, just the server responds with "Not authorized". So in fact the device is still working perfectly fine.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by yunolisten on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @06:44AM (#14031235)
> Well, he's also offering a refund.

No, he isn't. He suggests returning the device to point of purchase, Amazon, who have no control over this situation.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by erikb on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @10:53AM (#14042488)
Maybe Amazon is different in other countries (I doubt it), but in my country after ordering on Amazon you send stuff back to the seller, not to Amazon. The ticket for that is handled in Amazon's interface but the actual interaction happens with the seller.
Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by yunolisten on Thursday April 06, 2017 @04:26AM (#14048856)
You seem to have confused orders fulfilled by Amazon, and people selling products on their platform as third party sellers.

You don't state which country your in, or answer the question someone asked of you regarding the potential affiliation you may have with this company.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by erikb on Friday April 07, 2017 @03:43AM (#14057882)
Quote:

1 point by erikb 14 hours ago [-]

I've been actually answering that question twice, yunoreed.

Re:iPhone App will not stay open - just flashes when trying ... by yunolisten on Friday April 07, 2017 @05:05AM (#14058252)
Time is a concept you seem not to understand.