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Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by sqeaky on Monday April 03, 2017 @01:02PM (#14024622)
An aluminum body is exactly the kind of iteration that was being talked about. It is neat, but its not and all new drive train on a totally different tech. Aluminium is a pretty well understood material, while self driving cars are virgin territory.

Tesla is making larger swings and potentially accepting larger risk. Ford is... iterating.

Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by bluGill on Monday April 03, 2017 @01:26PM (#14024946)
What innovation is Tesla making? Electric cars are not new. In fact the first production car to reach 60mph back in the day was electric. Aluminum in a production car is a lot more innovative that an electric car. (li batteries in a production car though is innovative)
Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by simplyluke on Monday April 03, 2017 @03:52PM (#14026493)
The dunning kruger effect is super prominent in the tech community's discussions of Tesla.

Plenty of other manufactures are doing innovative things with automation, technology, etc. Not to mention most of them can build a higher quality interior/driver experience for far less than what Tesla wants for a Model S

Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by aianus on Monday April 03, 2017 @06:03PM (#14027636)
It's 2017 and a $60,000 Audi still won't let you start it up remotely from your phone and run the heater/AC so it's comfortable by the time you leave your house.

Seems like the most basic, obvious, easy to implement feature but they still can't manage it. Apparently because it's "illegal in Germany" to have a car running without an operator behind the wheel. What a joke.

Tesla will wipe the floor with them.

Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by zeveb on Monday April 03, 2017 @06:18PM (#14027726)
Why would I want to install an app from a carmaker on my phone, complete with privacy-invading spyware, when I could just use the keyfob to do it?
Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by aianus on Monday April 03, 2017 @06:21PM (#14027754)
At work I'm parked down the street from the car so the key fob wouldn't reach. But that's beside the point; you can't even do it from the key fob today on a new Audi.
Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by kw71 on Monday April 03, 2017 @08:49PM (#14028630)
I can do it on a 15 year old chevy impala. I have a hunch that fernstart is verboten in europa because it is a waste of fuel (and emissions.) They have webasto heaters and parked ventilation instead. Aren't all these cars stop/start now?
Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by smelterdemon on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @04:57PM (#14037134)
You can get an aftermarket remote start installed for $150. That's not some innovative feature unique to Tesla
Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by aianus on Tuesday April 04, 2017 @05:57PM (#14037613)
With always-on 3G connectivity and a corresponding app? Link?

I know it's not very innovative but if the incumbents can't even do this then how are they going to leapfrog Tesla at, say, self driving?

Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by sqeaky on Monday April 03, 2017 @02:42PM (#14025756)
Electric cars aren't new... if you really want to compare modern vehicles to those it pile batteries. When the roadster came out there was nothing like it.

Electric vehicles prior to the Telsas where research projects and low torque ultralight budget vehicles. Listing the differences between a Telsa and its closest successor, if you could pick one is not an easy task. Listing the difference between an F-150 and and F-150 with and aluminum was already done this sentence the hardest part was spelling aluminum.

You can pick an threshold for choosing what is evolution and revolution, I am just trying to choose a reasonable one.

Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by foofoo55 on Monday April 03, 2017 @01:19PM (#14024852)
I would much rather drive an iterated vehicle than one based on a large swing or risk.
Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by beamatronic on Monday April 03, 2017 @01:40PM (#14025097)
But you can drive the latter in the car pool lane
Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by vkou on Monday April 03, 2017 @02:14PM (#14025484)
For now. Once enough EVs are on the road, it'll go back to being 2+ or 3+.
Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by Neliquat on Monday April 03, 2017 @02:04PM (#14025370)
You can drive anything in that lane with a passenger. Just sayin.
Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by cr0sh on Monday April 03, 2017 @03:00PM (#14025971)
IIRC, here in sand-land (AZ) you can drive solo in our OHV lanes with a vehicle that has less than four wheels (mainly motorcycles - but if you have the cash for one of those nice 3-wheeled "cars", you're still good).
Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by cr0sh on Monday April 03, 2017 @02:57PM (#14025943)
I wonder if Tesla is contemplating building and selling a half-ton pickup truck to compete against Ford's F-150 (and others)?

That's what I'm kinda waiting for - I don't want a car; I like having a pickup. Ideally, it would be 4WD (and my next pickup will be - right now my off-road vehicle is an Isuzu VehiCROSS that I'm pouring money into). I would love it if my next pickup truck was a self-driving, off-road, 4WD electric beast.

But I don't see that happening any time soon - at least not before I get to the point of replacing my current truck.

Re:Tesla Passes Ford by Market Value by mohaine on Monday April 03, 2017 @04:41PM (#14026933)
According to the "Master Plan part 2", a "new type" of pickup is in the works. That is pretty much all that has been released at this point though.