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Re:Tor in a safer language: Network team update from Amsterdam by fjdlwlv on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:38PM (#14013742)
Go is a genersl purpose industry language. The ones you mention are niche or academic research languages.
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Re:Tor in a safer language: Network team update from Amsterdam by TheDong on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:44PM (#14013777)
There are companies built on Haskell and Erlang.

Just because a language is founded on good programming theory doesn't make it unviable in the industry.

Ideally, the reverse would be true.

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Re:Tor in a safer language: Network team update from Amsterdam by IshKebab on Saturday April 01, 2017 @06:05PM (#14014433)
Erlang, sure. Maybe a few. But Haskell? I doubt there are many. I bet Go's use in industry is easily 100 times that of Haskell's already and it is much younger.
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Re:Tor in a safer language: Network team update from Amsterdam by pjmlp on Sunday April 02, 2017 @02:40AM (#14016171)
Galois, Facebook and Microsoft are some examples, and all ML derived languages tend to be used for data modelling in the financial sector.

https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_in_industry

https://ocaml.org/learn/companies.html

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Re:Tor in a safer language: Network team update from Amsterdam by dllthomas on Sunday April 02, 2017 @09:38AM (#14017129)
It seems wrong to call Facebook and Microsoft "built on" Haskell, even if they are using it effectively for some important things.

Galois, of course, is very much built on Haskell. And there are certainly other examples.

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Re:Tor in a safer language: Network team update from Amsterdam by pjmlp on Sunday April 02, 2017 @10:31AM (#14017295)
Still their money is certainly landing in some pockets relevant to those communities.

A company doesn't need to be built on a single language.

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Re:Tor in a safer language: Network team update from Amsterdam by dllthomas on Sunday April 02, 2017 @02:01PM (#14018186)
For sure. My complaint was only wording choice (not yours) without clarification (which would have been yours).
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Re:Tor in a safer language: Network team update from Amsterdam by IshKebab on Sunday April 02, 2017 @03:46PM (#14018665)
Erm Facebook is built on PHP, Microsoft on C++ (or C#) and I've never heard of Galois.

I mean the fact that there is even an exhaustive "Haskell in industry" page at all shows you how rare it is. There isn't a "C++ in industry" page! I did actually find a Go one here:

https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/GoUsers

But it's both hilariously long and also obviously not exhaustive.

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Re:Tor in a safer language: Network team update from Amsterdam by pjmlp on Sunday April 02, 2017 @04:52PM (#14018982)
While you disdain Haskell's use in the industry, there are researchers much relevant to the IT industry than any of us, that happen to be on payroll from Facebook and Microsoft.

Maybe you should spend some time learning how FB and Microsoft use Haskell, you might be surprised with what you find.

As a clue, try to find out how C# and VB got LINQ, maybe you will find the right MSR paper by a certain Erik Meijer.

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Re:Tor in a safer language: Network team update from Amsterdam by dllthomas on Monday April 03, 2017 @03:45PM (#14026416)
If you mean https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_in_industry, it is not exhaustive. The first three Haskell startups to come to mind (AlphaSheets, LeapYear, Takt) are all missing - as is the (very limited) use at Uber.
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Re:Tor in a safer language: Network team update from Amsterdam by sfilargi on Saturday April 01, 2017 @03:40PM (#14013757)
I just put some names randomly. You can add C++, Python, Ruby, and pretty much any other language after C.
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