Re:It's Basically Just Immoral to Be Rich
by jdenning on Thursday March 30, 2017 @06:45PM
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The problem with this argument is that "being rich" is relative. Anyone want to wager that the author's "maximum moral income" is approximately the same as his/her income?
Isn't someone who makes $50,000 /yr extremely wealthy from the perspective of someone whose income is ~$5,000/yr (like a lot of people in India[1])?
Come on A.Q. Smith - how can you justify even owning a computer when people are starving? Is it immoral to waste money on dinner and a movie when that's more money than some people make in a week?
Re:It's Basically Just Immoral to Be Rich
by mmcconnell1618 on Thursday March 30, 2017 @04:18PM
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What about the fact that pursuit of wealth can drive innovation that benefits the whole world. The creation of mobile phones has allowed many parts of the world access to information and opportunities they didn't have before. The motivation to work hard and create new product is lessened if you know that all your money over $250K will be taken by force. Innovation would still take place but likely at a much slower pace.
Re:It's Basically Just Immoral to Be Rich
by CuriouslyC on Thursday March 30, 2017 @04:58PM
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The purpose of innovation is to create happiness. We need to weigh the happiness innovation creates with the unhappiness that the system promoting innovation creates. This calculus is complicated.
More equitable distributions of goods and services create more happiness than less equitable ones due to strong diminishing returns on happiness from external things. Furthermore, a lot of unhappiness is caused by wanting that results from comparing yourself to others, so equitable distributions also directly reduce unhappiness. On the other hand, feeling in control also causes happiness, and having your income taxed heavily does cause some perceived loss of control.
Ultimately I think that a slower pace of innovation resulting from a more humane system with a more equitable distribution of wealth would make people happier. We don't know for sure though, so it is worth experimenting to find out. That being said, the Nordic countries have done this experiment and they are rated as the happiest nations on earth despite having a horrible climate, so there is some evidence for my position.
Re:It's Basically Just Immoral to Be Rich
by mmcconnell1618 on Friday March 31, 2017 @08:25AM
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No, but I think there is a difference between having the great idea and putting in the work it takes to bring it to market on a global scale. Fantastic ideas won't go away, just the motivation to put in the hard work of turning an idea into a product.
Re:It's Basically Just Immoral to Be Rich
by thatswrong0 on Thursday March 30, 2017 @04:39PM
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I'm going to interpret this as an accidental piece of satire. It is so shallow in its analysis, overlooks so much, and makes so many mistakes that it is absolutely devoid of worth if interpreted as a serious piece.
Re:It's Basically Just Immoral to Be Rich
by flexie on Thursday March 30, 2017 @04:16PM
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Take Musk. He got rich from selling Paypal. Had he spent the money on charity as this post suggests (or demands) we would have had no Tesla and no SpaceX.
I think the world is often be better off by rich people doing more of what made them rich in the first place.
Re:It's Basically Just Immoral to Be Rich
by Y_Y on Thursday March 30, 2017 @06:23PM
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The root of an awful lot of the problems charities try to address is that people are poor. They aren't poor because of Elon Musk, but there's a good argument to be made that if it weren't for capitalism (now, not historically) we could have developed nations where there were no poor.
Re:It's Basically Just Immoral to Be Rich
by CuriouslyC on Thursday March 30, 2017 @08:18PM
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I don't think capitalism itself is the problem. Capitalism is basically just a policy of individual freedom extended to control of production, which honestly is hard to argue with. The main problem in my mind is that as a culture we've bought into the mistaken notion that more goods and services mean more happiness. Of course, this notion is primarily the result of the capitalist propaganda machine we call advertising. If we restricted advertising it would do a lot to tame the beast. Another problem is that we've walled everything off, so if you want to live you need to play the capitalist game. People should be able to opt out if they want.
That being said, while I'm mostly pro-capitalism, I'm also in favor of income redistribution. Happiness from wealth has hardcore diminishing returns, and visible inequality directly creates unhappiness. Based on these facts, significant income redistribution is really a moral imperative.
Re:It's Basically Just Immoral to Be Rich
by CuriouslyC on Thursday March 30, 2017 @05:00PM
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SpaceX is life support for the capitalist cancer of exponential growth, so I agree with you there. On the other hand, electric vehicles are going to be necessary for a sustainable future.
Re:It's Basically Just Immoral to Be Rich
by greg7mdp on Thursday March 30, 2017 @03:49PM
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And it is immoral as well to use your immense wealth to swing elections and impose your views on what should be a democracy, but increasingly is becoming a pay-to-play oligarchy.
Re:It's Basically Just Immoral to Be Rich
by LyndsySimon on Thursday March 30, 2017 @05:29PM
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I'd just like to point out that this article was written by a journalist living in Baltimore, Maryland - someone who is doubtlessly earning in the top 10% of all incomes worldwide; someone who enjoys a standard of living far above what most in the world could reasonably hope for.
Isn't someone who makes $50,000 /yr extremely wealthy from the perspective of someone whose income is ~$5,000/yr (like a lot of people in India[1])?
Come on A.Q. Smith - how can you justify even owning a computer when people are starving? Is it immoral to waste money on dinner and a movie when that's more money than some people make in a week?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GNI_(PPP)...
(Edit: slight rephrase)
More equitable distributions of goods and services create more happiness than less equitable ones due to strong diminishing returns on happiness from external things. Furthermore, a lot of unhappiness is caused by wanting that results from comparing yourself to others, so equitable distributions also directly reduce unhappiness. On the other hand, feeling in control also causes happiness, and having your income taxed heavily does cause some perceived loss of control.
Ultimately I think that a slower pace of innovation resulting from a more humane system with a more equitable distribution of wealth would make people happier. We don't know for sure though, so it is worth experimenting to find out. That being said, the Nordic countries have done this experiment and they are rated as the happiest nations on earth despite having a horrible climate, so there is some evidence for my position.
I think the world is often be better off by rich people doing more of what made them rich in the first place.
Part of the problem is most charities throw money at symptoms rather than addressing the root causes.
That being said, while I'm mostly pro-capitalism, I'm also in favor of income redistribution. Happiness from wealth has hardcore diminishing returns, and visible inequality directly creates unhappiness. Based on these facts, significant income redistribution is really a moral imperative.
Besides the obvious and tired appeal to some arbitrary notion of morality, a good portion of the article is just tautology.