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Re:Scientists want to create ‘red teams’ to challenge climat... by epistasis on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:05PM (#13989532)
There are people like Richard Lindzen, who even extends his gadflyism to smoking and lung cancer (and as somebody who sees the DNA damage in whole genome sequencing of lung cancers from smokers, boy is he ever stupidly wrong there.)

Then there are the gadflys that are not in climate research that, when they actually do some science, realize that the field is on the right track:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Earth

I'm not sure how much these people have done to help the field become more rigorous. But then I'm not in it so I can't judge personally.

Re:Scientists want to create ‘red teams’ to challenge climat... by nonbel on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:24PM (#13989710)
>"There are people like Richard Lindzen, who even extends his gadflyism to smoking and lung cancer (and as somebody who sees the DNA damage in whole genome sequencing of lung cancers from smokers, boy is he ever stupidly wrong there.)"

Is this true or fake news? The closest I could find is this: http://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2011/05/lindzen-dismis...

Also, seeing "DNA damage in whole genome sequencing of lung cancers from smokers" is irrelevant to the smoking-cancer link since you are sampling from the cancers... That only supports a link between cancer and "DNA damage".

Re:Scientists want to create ‘red teams’ to challenge climat... by hutzlibu on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:55PM (#13989973)
"and as somebody who sees the DNA damage in whole genome sequencing of lung cancers from smokers, boy is he ever stupidly wrong there"

Hm, but does the dna in those lungs look much different, than the lungs of nonsmoking people with lungcancer? (Seriously asking)

Re:Scientists want to create ‘red teams’ to challenge climat... by epistasis on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:30PM (#13990273)
Yes, the differences are massive. There's a huge signature of "bulky adduct" repair in smokers' samples. This looks different than, say, UV damage. See, for example, signature #4 from this paper:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v500/n7463/full/nature1...

Re:Scientists want to create ‘red teams’ to challenge climat... by hutzlibu on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:56PM (#13990505)
Thanks, thats interesting
Re:Scientists want to create ‘red teams’ to challenge climat... by nonbel on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:57PM (#13990986)
>"All cancers are caused by somatic mutations"

Its strange that epistasis cites that paper so freely since he has expressed skepticism about this idea in the past. In fact I may have discussed that exact paper with him awhile back. The layperson probably wouldn't realize it but this is a very hubristic first sentence, almost purposefully offensive.