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Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by skuzye on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @02:42PM (#13989283)
I guess that we'll have to come up with a way of having these workers have some kind of income. Otherwise, who's going to buy all those robot made products?
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by supergreg on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:17PM (#13989638)
Don't worry, people will have credit.
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by SFJulie on Thursday March 30, 2017 @02:12AM (#13993305)
You mean like in Bangladesh, people will be literally enslaved with debts?
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by lacampbell on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @02:49PM (#13989371)
"We" ? Are you in a developing country?
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by loup-vaillant on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:12PM (#13989596)
Rich countries will be affected as well.
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by hiddencost on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:09PM (#13989580)
Earth?
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by lacampbell on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @03:54PM (#13989966)
It's 100% not my responsibility to somehow give people in countries I've never been to jobs.

Let's get rid of the saviour complex.

Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by wavefunction on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:53PM (#13990955)
Don't worry, I don't think anyone is asking you to do anything, and I really doubt anyone would mistake you for any sort of saviour.
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Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by sctb on Thursday March 30, 2017 @11:31AM (#13996223)
I believe we've already asked you to please not post deliberately inflammatory sarcasm like this. It's not part of the thoughtful and civil discussion we're trying to have.
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by lacampbell on Thursday March 30, 2017 @02:35PM (#13997787)
Was I not responding to deliberately inflammatory sarcasm?

I usually ignore it, but if it's unacceptable to reply in turn then I'll happily take a ban.

Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by sctb on Thursday March 30, 2017 @02:44PM (#13997861)
Yes, it's unacceptable to reply in turn. When the purpose of the site is to support intellectual curiosity and discussion, it's never productive to make already-bad threads worse.
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by lacampbell on Thursday March 30, 2017 @03:15PM (#13998076)
I actually came here to discuss tech, and meet like minded people. I think the politics ruins this site, but I don't seem to have the willpower to avoid being sucked into it. The the decision before to ban politics was a good one, but it was protested by highly political people.

Honestly, at this point I'll happily take a ban. The site has turned into just another time sink to argue politics for me. Thanks.

Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by mistermann on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:07PM (#13990079)
It may not be your "responsibility", but it may be in your best interest.
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by allemagne on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:39PM (#13990847)
Why not?
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by lacampbell on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @06:01PM (#13991017)
Because I'm not a 19th century missionary.
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by allemagne on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @07:57PM (#13991735)
Who here is trying to spread Christianity and "Civilisation"?

If we have the power to help somebody in another country (without, say, bankrupting ourselves or causing some other harm), why don't we have a moral responsibility to do it?

Certainly we can disagree on what realistically and specifically should be done, but can agree that, in principle, humans are obligated to help other humans?

Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by lacampbell on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @08:52PM (#13992003)
No I don't think I have a moral obligation to help people I've never met that I don't live anywhere near. I do think I have a moral obligation not to do people harm, but that's really about it.

As far as helping people, I feel morally obliged to help the people close to me, and no one else. That's not to say I refuse to help anyone outside of that group, it's just that I don't feel obliged to. My position is perfectly normal and natural and probably shared by the majority of the Earths inhabitants. Global Altruism is the edge-case here.

The 19th century missionary analogy is that you believe you have a moral obligation to help everyone on planet earth. Whether you have religious motivations or not is beside the point.

Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by ximeng on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @09:33PM (#13992184)
Personally kind of bothers me that we live in a world where people are left to die from starvation and easily preventable disease. Understandable as it may be why that's the case.
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by angry-hacker on Thursday March 30, 2017 @06:58AM (#13994349)
You could give away 90% of your salary, still survive and save so many lives. You need to lower your standards, you can do it right now, the question is why? - because you don't care about those lives.
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by ximeng on Thursday March 30, 2017 @04:01PM (#13998423)
Not necessarily - Bill G wasn't giving a whole bunch of money away on the way up. It can be rational to look after yourself first before looking after others even if you care about them. I don't think it's as binary as you make out. Certainly I feel the parent saying they don't care about people beyond their immediate circle doesn't reflect my feelings, which are rather more complicated on the subject.
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by angry-hacker on Thursday March 30, 2017 @04:33PM (#13998632)
I'm just saying you can make a comparison like that. From this day eat only basic food, never restaurants, you get every nutrition neccessary cheap. No cinema, no new electronics or toys. People in West have everything they need. All the money donate directly to people in need in third world countries. You CAN save hundreds of lives living that kind of lifestyle, so my question for you is why not do it? It's theoretical but you get the point. Shows "we don't care" everyone and have hundreds of excuses for it.
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by ximeng on Thursday March 30, 2017 @10:08PM (#14000709)
Yes obviously you can do that, but I disagree with the conclusion that you don't care about everyone. Clearly people don't care that much, but there is a difference between that and not caring at all.
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by st3v3r on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @07:22PM (#13991535)
Then don't be surprised if they storm your house and take your stuff.
Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by lacampbell on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @08:59PM (#13992035)
Are you suggesting that impoverished people from developing countries who have just lost their jobs to automation are going to embark on an international journey in order to storm my house and take my stuff?

How did you come up with this far-fetched fantasy?

The people from developing countries who could afford to do that come from a more privileged background than I do. Migration is not cheap.

Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by klibertp on Thursday March 30, 2017 @06:08AM (#13994127)
> Are you suggesting that impoverished people from developing countries who have just lost their jobs to automation are going to embark on an international journey in order to storm my house and take my stuff?

Um, yes, exactly (modulo "to automation")?

Just how many migrants arrived in Germany last year? Do you suggest they are all somehow "privileged"? And that's just the beginning!

You (probably) live in a place which is geographically hard to migrate to, as you'd basically need to cross the ocean to do so[1]. On the other hand, and on the other side of the pond, we've seen hundreds of thousands of people come here on foot or on boats that I'm amazed even kept afloat as long as they did.

It may look far-fetched to you, but it's already happening. It will get to you sooner or later.

Disclaimer: I'm not against migrants or anything (virtue signaling!), but I feel bad that our policies were among the causes which made them migrate in the first place. I think that such policies were developed by people with a mindset similar to yours: whatever happens there it's not here, so whatever. It is not so. Whatever happens anywhere will, sooner or later, come here and sit on your lawn.

[1] And even then there are people who view migration as a major, significant problem - some of them are even in positions of power.

Re:Automation is set to hit workers in developing countries ... by lacampbell on Thursday March 30, 2017 @02:45PM (#13997863)
Just how many migrants arrived in Germany last year? Do you suggest they are all somehow "privileged"? And that's just the beginning!

Of course they are relatively privileged. Do you think the average person from Afghanistan or Iraq or Central Africa can afford to travel to Germany, illegally? Do you think it's cheap to travel overland and pay smugglers!? The average person from a first world country doesn't even have that much disposable income. Use some common sense - the wave of illegal migrants a few years back weren't made up of the lower class, it's economically infeasible.

You (probably) live in a place which is geographically hard to migrate to, as you'd basically need to cross the ocean to do so[1]. On the other hand, and on the other side of the pond, we've seen hundreds of thousands of people come here on foot or on boats that I'm amazed even kept afloat as long as they did. It may look far-fetched to you, but it's already happening. It will get to you sooner or later.

It has nothing to do with sheer numbers, it's willpower. You're absolutely right in that it would be foolish to purchase property and the like from a country that doesn't even have the political and social will to protect itself from unarmed invasion. Luckily not every place is as short sighted as Germany or Western Europe in general.

I think that such policies were developed by people with a mindset similar to yours: whatever happens there it's not here, so whatever. It is not so. Whatever happens anywhere will, sooner or later, come here and sit on your lawn.

I've never advocated military regime change or any other such nonsense. So no, the mindset is not similar to mine. I am against aggression.

[1] And even then there are people who view migration as a major, significant problem - some of them are even in positions of power.

Who are you eluding to here? The Government of China, Japan, South Korea...?