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Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by TorKlingberg on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @05:54PM (#13981078)
On the other hand, this article is on HN because it fits an other narrative. There is never just one "the narrative". There are always two or more competing narratives and people publish, share and upvote stories that fit the one they prefer.
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by walrus01 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @08:10PM (#13982113)
If I had to make an overly broad generalization of the HN readership, people reading links here are more willing than the average person to read an article that disagrees with their preconceived stereotypes and worldview. Whereas mass market media (the magazine Inc, etc) is going in the opposite direction from that.
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by chickenfries on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @08:43PM (#13982283)
> If I had to make an overly broad generalization of the HN readership, people reading links here are more willing than the average person to read an article that disagrees with their preconceived stereotypes and worldview.

You're right, that was an overly broad generalization about the readership of a public internet forum.

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by kagamine on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @08:17AM (#13985283)
Yeah, let's have a 2-sided conversation about EVs on HN and see. Tesla is God, Tesla is King, Musk will save our souls.
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by Larrikin on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:21PM (#13983100)
Maybe on which programming language or framework is best. Most articles regarding race/gender discrimination even if they directly involve major tech firms are flagged and downvoted by large portions of the community. If they survive the initial wave, the top comments are usually pretty dismissive
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by hueving on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:28AM (#13984570)
IIRC the "strange year at uber" article was one of the most up-voted articles this year.

People on here are always willing to read stories with substantiated claims or new information. However, yet another article pointing out how there is a general gender imbalance in the workforce that matches college CS graduation rates is likely to fall flat.

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by aaron695 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:35AM (#13983432)
Large businesses being evil is a very common narrative and a lame cliche really.

So if HN is downvoting, it's probably because educated people are not liking being played by a tired narrative.

Major tech firm is worse with race/gender discrimination than the community at large? Please, ever worked blue collar and seen their hiring practices?

They are dismissive for a reason.

If the tech community wants to set a good example, great. Being played to feel like they are worse than society... to smart for that narrative.

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by Larrikin on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:45AM (#13983470)
If there is an issue it only matters if it's extremely egregious and the worst example?
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by aaron695 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:23AM (#13984335)
No. Not at all.

As long as it is reported as such. Which it is not. Hence my point.

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Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by theandrewbailey on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:22PM (#13983106)
> Meanwhile the story itself is crap and wholly uninteresting in itself. It's pure gossip and speculation and unfounded assertions. I can think of a hundred reasons why a magazine might've decided not to run a story on this guy.

This story is unfounded? Really? We have one solid reason why they didn't run the story:

> Subsequently, several months passed with no word from them. I reached out, and was told by the writer as politely as possible, that the editor killed the story — because I wasn’t the “… archetypal Black entrepreneur to hang the story around”.

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by cooper12 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @08:58PM (#13982359)
It only took 4 minutes for therpe1'a comment to be flagged. Sounds to me like HN isn't actually so inclined.
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by lkrubner on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:53AM (#13983520)
I'm confused why therpe1's comment was flagged. It makes a reasonable point. It doesn't seem outrageous. There are worse comments here on this page. I would upvote the comment if it was already dead. I am puzzled that this particular comment is the one that is flagged.
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by hueving on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:34AM (#13984590)
I would guess it was flagged because it didn't have much substance and just wildly lashed around at things said here - claiming it was predictable HN would say those things. Yet every one of those points has been followed up with opposing opinions so the post is trying to paint the HN community as one-sided when it clearly isn't.

So it seems therpe1 is mainly upset that critical commentary takes place here, which is the almost lamest possible thing to complain about. The only thing that would have made it worse is to put something in like "Edit: bring on the downvotes, you know I'm right".

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by lkrubner on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @04:40PM (#13990372)
But there are certain types of comments that seem to show up on threads about race. It seems valid to point out that the majority of comments have a particular theme. If some comments are predictable, and I say they are predictable, surely I'm just stating the facts? It's seems like heavy-handed moderation to kill a comment just for that.
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by imron on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @09:30PM (#13982505)
That's why it'd be great for a publication to publish a diverse range of narratives, exposing people to both (or multiple) sides of a story and allow people to make up their own minds.
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by BadassFractal on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @05:57PM (#13981099)
Conflicting narratives is pretty much how news work, that's just a fact of life, no denying that. Don't know if I would claim that HN has a particular interest in suppressing a certain narrative though, can you explain? Who is to gain here?
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by tomlock on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @06:16PM (#13981272)
If discrimination is a real barrier to entrepreneurship - that contradicts the narrative that entrepreneurship is an objective meritocracy.
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by BadassFractal on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @06:21PM (#13981316)
I'd be surprised if people here actually believed that to be a successful entrepreneur your starting conditions do not matter.

Your race, your country, your culture, your health, your finances, your dependents, your family all have a massive impact on whether you can stop doing whatever you're doing and focus fully on turning an idea into a high growth business. Maybe it's just me, but I personally believe that it is a huge privilege to have the ability to pursue entrepreneurship.

I could be a coal miner in war-torn sub-Saharan Africa trying to make ends meet to pay for my sick child's care, instead I'm sitting in a comfortable air conditioned office in the Bay, able to complain that the snack selection is not sufficiently locally sourced.

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by wpietri on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @10:02PM (#13982698)
I'm sure they'd agree that conditions matter. But people here regularly disagree that gender and race discrimination in the US is a factor in tech. And they have for years, often vehemently and in great volume.
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by tomlock on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @06:25PM (#13981364)
What narrative do you think this guy isn't fitting, then?
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by hueving on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:22AM (#13984548)
Ah, the "well the other news is fake news so this fake news is okay" approach.
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by mehaveaccount on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @11:37AM (#13987291)
The people have read your narrative and the article author's and have judged his to be more sound.
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by rdtsc on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:48PM (#13983222)
> this article is on HN because it fits an other narrative.

Which narrative do you think that is?

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by tomlock on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:58PM (#13983278)
One potential narrative might be that silicon valley is a meritocracy.
Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by rdtsc on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:09AM (#13983589)
I think people are having an issue with the story at face value - binning people into groups and then taking advantage of that.

It is demeaning and patronizing to hear that you're victim and your race should be what defines you.

The author is trying to say "Here look at the cool business I built with a lot of work and talent. Check out the algorithm I am using etc." and journalist wants to instead write about "Poor black person somehow made it out of a poor neighborhood. Let's point out his race over and over...".

Re:I’m Not “Black Enough” for Inc. Magazine by tomlock on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:25AM (#13983672)
What this author is trying to say is separate from the narrative people may try and build off the back of this article.

The narrative built could be that journalists are mistreating successful entrepreneurs by looking for stereotypes.

Also, someone could look at this article and think it signals that discussions about race and its effect on entrepreneurship are now actually harmful overall.

Another narrative could be that the archetypal black entrepreneur is well represented by this guy.

Alternatively, someone could build this into a narrative that black people aren't inordinately effected by poverty.

I don't personally think there is enough quantitative evidence relayed in the article to substantiate any of those narratives, but I'm pretty sure at least one or two of those narratives have been cognitively hardened in someone because they read this article.