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Re:The AI Misinformation Epidemic by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @04:03AM (#13974907)
Difficulty level 1: The only ML in there was some 1-line language translation feature they were consuming off Watson REST services for a tangential feature on their app

Difficulty level 2: Self-trained CNN on a custom dataset using TensorFlow and changes to start/end layers on the NN

Difficulty level 3: Custom rolled 12 layer CNN trained with with novel hand labeled data.

How many people to you think know the difference between these and the fact that each step is a magnitude or more harder than the last? That's not even getting into trying to apply research grade stuff.

Re:The AI Misinformation Epidemic by erkkie on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @05:27AM (#13975212)
Why should people be able to tell the difference vs the outcome of those products, unless someone (investors?) is specifically just buying into the AI hype itself? (in which case, this is nothing different from when everything was "social")
Re:The AI Misinformation Epidemic by TuringNYC on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @07:45AM (#13975759)
I'm not saying people should be able to tell the difference, nor am I discounting the value of the final outcome. Just that pitching an app as ML-driven, when it is barely 1% ML-driven is deceptive and mis-informs the public.

Consider taking the side mirror from a Ferrari, putting it on a Ford Escort, and then pitching the Ford Escort as a race-car. The Ford Escort may be a great family car, but it is not a sports car. People who don't know the difference might come to think of it as a sports car, and might even question the wisdom of spending money on a Ferrari.

Re:The AI Misinformation Epidemic by erkkie on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @10:04AM (#13976637)
I get (and perhaps even agree) to the sentiment, logically at least, but realistically all marketing is deceptive. It's pragmatically more useful to understand the how's and why's of that and play along.
Re:The AI Misinformation Epidemic by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @09:20AM (#13976309)
If that 1% is essential to the purpose of the app, it seems reasonable no matter what % of the code of the app it represents.
Re:The AI Misinformation Epidemic by TuringNYC on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:23AM (#13977358)
Going along with my racecar example...the side view mirrors are essential...so does that make the Ford Escort a racecar?
Re:The AI Misinformation Epidemic by dragonwriter on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @11:34AM (#13977470)
The analogy doesn't work, because "racecar" isn't a technology used in the side mirrors.
Re:The AI Misinformation Epidemic by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @01:07PM (#13978387)
Differentiation.

Most off the shelf ML tools are not that powerful - and they don't make a difference in how you differentiate as a business. If you have a ML team and know how to build models from scratch with novel data, then you can iterate on your model and expand, something you can't do if you don't own the model.

Re:The AI Misinformation Epidemic by kenjackson on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @02:07PM (#13979029)
You should show your differentiation by differentiating. But in many cases the ML differentiation isn't the same as differentiating the value prop of the product.
Re:The AI Misinformation Epidemic by wolf84 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @04:20AM (#13974964)
I got tensorflow to analyze blutooth signals off a wireless controller.

talk about dreamland autoaim

Re:The AI Misinformation Epidemic by wolf84 on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @04:28AM (#13974996)
you know, something like thumbs as a correlation