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Re:Uber to Suspend Autonomous Tests After Arizona Accident by danso on Saturday March 25, 2017 @09:46AM (#13955599)
How do you define "the fault of the autonomous vehicle". If you take the time to read through Google's disclosure reports, you'd find that they had virtually zero, if any, accidents that were the fault of the tech. In fact, I believe all the accidents that could be conceivably be blamed on Google was blame during on the human Google driver. If you read a little closer, though, you'll see that these human-operator errors all arose from the Google driver taking control of the car because they thought the autonomous mode would lead to an accident.

In short, accidents of all varieties are hard to classify. In this case, though you seem to vastly underestimate the numbers involved. According to latest reports [0], the Uber program is only driving about 20K miles a week. Further more, the rate of human-interventions is about once every MILE.

Normal human driving is bad, of course. But how many times in the last 1,000 miles you've driven have you needed your passenger to intervene to prevent an accident?

[0] http://www.recode.net/2017/3/16/14938116/uber-travis-kalanic...

Re:Uber to Suspend Autonomous Tests After Arizona Accident by mannykannot on Saturday March 25, 2017 @09:51AM (#13955626)
When reading Google's disclosure reports, note that the human drivers are instructed to preemptively take manual control in situations where an error could have consequences, so the accident-rate statistics do not reflect the systems behavior in the situations that would really test its capabilities.
Re:Uber to Suspend Autonomous Tests After Arizona Accident by panarky on Saturday March 25, 2017 @11:31AM (#13956099)
They also report the number of "disengagements" where the human driver had to take control of the vehicle.

In 2016, Waymo cars drove 636,000 miles with 124 disengagements [1].

Uber’s autonomous cars drove 20,354 miles and had to be taken over at every mile [2].

Uber is a menace.

[1] https://www.wired.com/2017/02/california-dmv-autonomous-car-...

[2] http://www.recode.net/2017/3/16/14938116/uber-travis-kalanic...

Re:Uber to Suspend Autonomous Tests After Arizona Accident by makomk on Saturday March 25, 2017 @12:45PM (#13956424)
Also, Uber outright refused to comply with California law and register their self-driving car program, and it's looking more and more like the reason they did that is so they didn't have to publicly disclose those disengagement numbers.
Re:Uber to Suspend Autonomous Tests After Arizona Accident by tyingq on Saturday March 25, 2017 @11:44AM (#13956151)
I suspect you're right. However, a higher number of disengagements could just point to a more cautious approach, more difficult environment, etc. Hard to pin it exactly to maturity.

For example, I believe Waymo cars drive mostly on a fixed number of preplanned routes. You would expect limited disengagements over time, as it's got tons of data on those specific routes.

Re:Uber to Suspend Autonomous Tests After Arizona Accident by mortehu on Saturday March 25, 2017 @12:24PM (#13956314)
I can't find a complete list, but as I recall, the majority of the accidents consist of Google's vehicles being rear-ended while slowing down to yield at intersections.
Re:Uber to Suspend Autonomous Tests After Arizona Accident by ghaff on Saturday March 25, 2017 @11:02AM (#13955979)
>In short, accidents of all varieties are hard to classify

It's probably fair to say that, in the course of a day, many of us are in driving situations where we avoid potentially dangerous situations whether or not it might technically have been someone else's fault were there an accident. Most of us (hopefully) learn to drive defensively to minimize the likelihood of an accident, not to take whatever space on a road we have a "right" to.

Re:Uber to Suspend Autonomous Tests After Arizona Accident by GrinningFool on Saturday March 25, 2017 @06:56PM (#13957961)
You'd be surprised at the number of discussions I've had where people value being legally correct over the safety of others.
Re:Uber to Suspend Autonomous Tests After Arizona Accident by toast0 on Saturday March 25, 2017 @11:38PM (#13958982)
Who cares about other people's safety? I value my own safety and time over being legally correct on the road. If I need to break traffic laws to avoid hitting another vehicle, or being struck, that's easy. Being in a collision is a huge time-suck, even if I'm in the right. (That said, I'm not going to intentionally cause other vehicles to collide among themselves because it enhances my safety or reduces my time spent)
Re:Uber to Suspend Autonomous Tests After Arizona Accident by GrinningFool on Monday March 27, 2017 @12:17PM (#13968975)
I was originally going to write "safety of themselves and others", but that implied a level of nuance I didn't want to get into explaining.

> If I need to break traffic laws to avoid hitting another vehicle, or being struck, that's easy.

IMO based on anecdotes and observation, not enough people do that because of the "it's not my fault" attitude. The first consideration is fault, the second is safety.

Re:Uber to Suspend Autonomous Tests After Arizona Accident by SelfAware on Saturday March 25, 2017 @03:29PM (#13957158)
My passenger (wife) tries to intervene when I drive constantly.