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Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by WalterBright on Monday March 20, 2017 @01:00AM (#13911827)
I've had many cars with electric windows. They all eventually failed, usually when it was raining, and the windows could not be raised. Fixing them would cost over $500. My truck now has hand cranked windows, and mechanical door locks. They're no trouble at all, and I'm happy with them.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by agumonkey on Monday March 20, 2017 @05:07AM (#13912701)
Cars are still in the old mindset. They're unmodular, un-lego. Kinda like average laptops before 2006 or so. Tons of intricate parts stuck together. Coming from the computer world, especially now that you can plug and swap all kinds of parts, this looks insane. And the carmakers are leveraging this to take a premium on anything if you don't dare to try fixing it yourself.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by mywittyname on Monday March 20, 2017 @12:37PM (#13915536)
"Lego" cars used to be really common. Old Hondas were exactly like this, which is why they had such a cult following in the 90s. You could build up a Honda using parts from pretty much any other Honda.

This also contributed to their popularity among thieves.

Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by TheGrassyKnoll on Monday March 20, 2017 @06:10PM (#13918081)
I got 375,000 miles out of 1986 Honda Accord. I think one time I went almost 5 years where the only thing I did was change the oil. (but, I drive like an old lady, slow starts etc.)
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by agumonkey on Monday March 20, 2017 @04:22PM (#13917356)
My newbness (or age) is showing. I wish I got to know these. And I believe it might come back since production may distribute closer to people (3D printing for non mechanically challenged parts)
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by mrbill on Monday March 20, 2017 @01:10AM (#13911874)
I've had to replace the motor/regulator for my driver's side power window twice now ('05 Mitsu Galant). Fortunately it's just a $75-100 part and less than an hour of work.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by ashark on Monday March 20, 2017 @02:02AM (#13912086)
Can confirm, window motor replacement's not terrible, and Youtube will probably tell you exactly how to do it for your make/model/year (did for our '01 Honda, which is the only car we've ever had power window problems with)
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by kagamine on Monday March 20, 2017 @04:40AM (#13912608)
If you would like a challenge, get yourself a 1996 or newer Land Rover Discovery or Range Rover and try fixing the guaranteed to fail central locking or window regulators. A window regulator at a dealer is a 5 hour job. Owners who do things themselves avoid this job for as long as possible because it hurts to do it. Both of these systems can affect the alarm/immobilizer too, so enjoy being locked out of your car at a service station 100 miles from home.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by agumonkey on Monday March 20, 2017 @05:08AM (#13912708)
Hardest is to dis- and reassemble the whole thing. Inside it's pretty simple.

I have to do this on my mother's car. Surprisingly both doors internals started to fail around the same year.

Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by dclowd9901 on Monday March 20, 2017 @01:51AM (#13912045)
Mitsubishis have always been notorious for shoddy build quality.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by guessbest on Monday March 20, 2017 @03:12AM (#13912343)
I thought I was the only one who did this. I just about factory standard everything for my Chevrolet truck and nothing mechanical has broken down in the cab in 12 years. It is a mid-sized truck, too, which are more prone to breaking down. The only thing I replaced was the clock radio.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by stinos on Monday March 20, 2017 @07:42AM (#13913269)
If you think of your car as any other tool you start to realize the electronic stuff might quickly get in the way of it functioning reliably whenever you need it. We have cranked windows, no AC, no other fancy electronics stuff (park assist? really? is that meant to unlearn people how to drive?) but electrical door locks. The one thing which ever let us down: the door locks of course.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by WalterBright on Monday March 20, 2017 @06:21PM (#13918158)
And when your electric door locks fail, you can't even get into the car, nor can you open the hood to replace the battery.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by theiz on Monday March 20, 2017 @05:03AM (#13912687)
I live in Europe, and my feelings About us cars is the same as the story about washing machines: somewhere in the '80 the quality got from superb to rubish. Where Honda cars of the nineties stil drive around, american cars dont. You see the old american cars of the sixties and seventies, but then you get a gap to only those almost new.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by Arizhel on Monday March 20, 2017 @07:06PM (#13918414)
American here. Sorry, no: American cars from the 70s were complete and utter junk. The reason you see some (not a lot) still driving around is because their owners love them and put a lot of time into keeping them running. It's just like why you still see American cars from the 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s driving around and at classic car shows; it's not because they're that reliable. Put enough work into repairing it and you can keep anything running.

You're absolutely right about American cars in the 90s versus Japanese cars from the same time. Hondas back then were bulletproof, really fantastic cars. American cars from that time were junk, not much better than the ones in the 80s (which were even worse). On top of that, the styling of American cars in the 80s was so awful that no one actually wants to keep them around. 70s American cars were ugly to me, but I could see how some people might like that kind of styling, but the 80s cars were just ugly boxes that were attempting to compete with the economical and reliable Japanese cars of the time, and failing badly. The 90s weren't much better, and had all kinds of bloated-looking American cars coming out. It's only been in the last decade that American cars haven't been horribly ugly as a rule. By contrast, the Japanese cars from the 90s were not only reliable but looked nice too.

Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by hx87 on Monday March 20, 2017 @03:40PM (#13917041)
It's not that older American cars are more reliable, but that they have enough charm for people to maintain them and a healthy aftermarket to support them. '80s and '90s American cars, on the other hand, were with a few exceptions ugly as shit.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by TheGrassyKnoll on Monday March 20, 2017 @06:07PM (#13918066)
I've got a 12 year old Dodge and the driver's side electric window only works when it gets hot enough. (and its not the switch). Drives me nuts... A mechanic friend of mine told me that changing out a window motor is a pain in the ass.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by tonyedgecombe on Monday March 20, 2017 @03:54AM (#13912463)
I wasn't able to do that with my last car but I did avoid air conditioning, the salesman just couldn't grasp why I'd wait a week and pay the same for a car with less features.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by thebigspacefuck on Monday March 20, 2017 @11:42PM (#13919717)
I didn't even know you could get a car without A/C
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by hive_mind on Monday March 20, 2017 @01:05AM (#13911843)
I'm looking for a truck with hand cranked windows. What brand is this?
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by lb1lf on Monday March 20, 2017 @03:57AM (#13912475)
Base spec Land Cruisers and Geländewagens still have hand-cranked windows. Whether you can still buy one in the so-called civilized world is another matter altogether.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by owly on Monday March 20, 2017 @02:40AM (#13912214)
Seriously! I'd like to know too. I thought these went extinct.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by WalterBright on Monday March 20, 2017 @04:30AM (#13912576)
80's Bronco 2