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Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by TuringNYC on Sunday March 19, 2017 @01:44AM (#13905482)
> imagine for a second someone telling you that 'you should just move from where you are because where you were born isn't good enough'

Now imagine telling a corporation that 'you must build your factory only in City X' -- why should they? They will build where they find space at good rents and an industrial ecosystem and workers.

What if the factory owner lives in California. So he has to move his life across the country and build in New Hampshire because a rural worker in New Hampshire didn't want to move themselves? How does this make sense?

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by edraferi on Sunday March 19, 2017 @11:47AM (#13907779)
Exactly!

Viewed by the capitalist system, these communities are useless. People hate feeling useless, even if you give them everything they need to live (the Democrat's solution)

So, how do you make economically irrelevant communities viable?

I have no idea.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by zanny on Sunday March 19, 2017 @01:06PM (#13908263)
The left solution is not simply throw money at the problem and ignore if it solves it.

The basic income movement beneath a lot of this is meant to, over generations, migrate the culture from one where your work defines your value as a human being to one where you are valued for your non-monetary contributions to society as well.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by tomrod on Sunday March 19, 2017 @04:23PM (#13909400)
A good, first approach is to structure incentives to encourage people to move from irrelevant communities. Such as not punishing manufacturing for moving overseas, ending non-strategic subsidies, and similar as the stick, and funding non-profits dedicated to helping people relocate to areas with brighter opportunities.

We will have to do these things due to climate change anyway (create policies to handle migration) if the Agricultural Revolution is to ultimately win over Nomadism, we may as well figure out things that work here and now.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by georgeecollins on Monday March 20, 2017 @01:01PM (#13915744)
These communities aren't useless. They just support fewer jobs and probably a lower standard of living than they once did. This happened to coal mining towns in Wales a hundred years ago. A lot of those people came to the US. But Wales didn't become useless, it just lost a major source of employment. People will migrate, retrain, change their expectations.
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by rumcajz on Monday March 20, 2017 @02:57AM (#13912286)
Make remote work the standard option whenever possible. For example, all the paper pushing work can be easily made remote and distributed to rural areas.
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by sokoloff on Monday March 20, 2017 @08:04AM (#13913375)
If you make remote work the standard, why wouldn't a company offshore it to remote workers who are often wildly cheaper due to market forces and market distortions (like minimum wage laws)?

There are plenty of English reading/writing/speaking people in India capable of remote work.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by dukeluke on Sunday March 19, 2017 @10:25AM (#13907229)
Capitalism is blind to political movements, wealth inequality, and full employment. All that matters is the bottom line. This is leading to globalism, automation, and use of illegal immigration which is gutting the lower and middle classes. Would it be best for the corporation? No, of course not. But there needs to be a balance between the lower and upper classes, and right now that balance is not there. A rising economy should benefit everyone. This lack of balance is why populist politicians were so popular this election.
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by TuringNYC on Sunday March 19, 2017 @11:20AM (#13907585)
Wouldn't a progressive, Bernie-style [limited] redistribution be better to achieve such a goal? Appropriate corporate tax funded social spending sound like a more efficient way to help everyone than forcing a factory owner in California to move his factory to some random rural area.

I don't run a factory, but I am a full-time co-founder of a startup. There is no way I'd move our NYC-based operation to some rural area, there is little to no specialized technical community outside the major cities. For example, would I be able to attend weekly Machine Learning meetups in West Virginia? Would I be able to have lunch regularly with VCs in Ohio? I've been overseas doing a parallel medical trial, in a big city, and still it is very difficult to operate here. The depth of community just doesn't exist.

I realize a tech startup isn't a perfect example, but I imagine some of the same concerns would be applicable to factory owners. It is simply not realistic to assume that employers (who already don't have trouble finding talent) should move to where workers are, rather than the opposite.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by dukeluke on Sunday March 19, 2017 @11:30AM (#13907660)
Factories and employers used to put factories in rural areas because of the cheap labor. Globalism has exploited the fact that many other countries don't have the labor laws or quality of life America does, and made it so rural America isn't an economically viable location to put jobs. I'd agree that a Bernie-style form of redistribution would be ideal, but in my opinion, it's important to be politically expedient. America's political system is rigged to the point where even if a redistribution program was passed, it would be removed within a decade. Given the fact that wealth and GDP has never been higher and that corporations are having no problem finding profits, we need to find a way to make rural America an economically feasible location to put jobs again, which means ending or slowing globalization.
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by ebiester on Sunday March 19, 2017 @03:02PM (#13908953)
Would it solve problems if we had an equivalent to meetup for online meetups such as the above? If we suggest all can be done online, why aren't our meetups online? Certainly, time zones are an issue, and some meetup functions can be duplicated by a mailing list or forum, but why haven't we figured this one out? (The time zone could be solved by having multiple meetups and people go to the ones which are better for their time, for example.) And a speaker is something is probably easier than the average user group - someone just joins from their house...
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by tomrod on Sunday March 19, 2017 @04:28PM (#13909426)
> Would I be able to have lunch regularly with VCs in Ohio?

Yes. There is a fantastic, burgeoning startup community in Ohio. One that seems to be getting traction is Root, an really innovative insurance company (I'm not affiliated with Root).

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by sevensor on Sunday March 19, 2017 @03:25PM (#13909101)
Have you visited Ohio? There are cities there. My company is working with a startup in Akron that's doing some neat stuff. You can bet it's not strip-mining the social graph.
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by TuringNYC on Monday March 20, 2017 @02:04AM (#13912097)
Funny story -- Yes! I did visit Ohio, to see a VC actually. I was able to get a single VC meeting for the whole trip. Perhaps there are other VCs, but I found just one willing to take a meeting. The odds in NYC were higher. The odds in SF are even higher. I find it difficult to believe there VCs are as accessible in Ohio as they are in NYC/SF.