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Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by ng12 on Friday March 17, 2017 @03:11PM (#13897018)
It sounds great in theory but it's so divorced from reality I can't help but feeling anger at Palantir is misdirected. If Palantir refused the contract ICE would walk down the street and offer it to IBM/SAP/Northrop/Raytheon etc. If by some miracle they all refused it remember most three letter agencies have very skilled in-house teams.

All of this is just distracting from the real issues at hand.

Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by tptacek on Friday March 17, 2017 @03:48PM (#13897348)
Something something if you had invented Facebook, you would have invented Facebook something.

As anyone with the pleasure of having contracted with IBM or Lockheed can tell you, there is a significant difference between working with giant government contractors versus the best funded Silicon Valley firms.

Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by ajamesm on Friday March 17, 2017 @04:38PM (#13897776)
Maybe not IBM :o) I think they learned their lesson last time they sold tech to help doorkickers round up undesirables
Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by et-al on Friday March 17, 2017 @03:41PM (#13897285)
> If Palantir refused the contract ICE would walk down the street and offer it to IBM/SAP/Northrop/Raytheon etc.

What what we debating here? ICE's conduct or Palantir being an enabler? Because if we're talking about Palantir, "someone else would have done it" is not a good excuse.

Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by ng12 on Friday March 17, 2017 @03:45PM (#13897324)
I'm saying worry about ICE's conduct, worrying about Palantir is unproductive. ICE's ability to build a database is not the limiting factor.
Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by et-al on Friday March 17, 2017 @04:40PM (#13897797)
Though it's easier to attract bright and hopefuls to work for Palantir than ICE, right? And it's easier for these employees to excuse their actions with an "I didn't know my efforts would end up being used for that purpose", or "I just wanted to work on interesting problems".
Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by nobodyorother on Friday March 17, 2017 @04:39PM (#13897784)
Worrying about both is appropriate: in both cases, folks are acting like amoral jerks, mentally divorcing their actions from the amount of suffering they directly or indirectly cause.

I think the long term question is: how can we make these choices less okay and less profitable?

Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by sedachv on Friday March 17, 2017 @04:42PM (#13897818)
> I'm saying worry about ICE's conduct, worrying about Palantir is unproductive.

How so? Exposing and holding people and companies accountable for wrong behavior does not stop anyone from trying to change the government policies that encourage the wrong behavior. The added media exposure probably helps, especially with people that are interested in the person/company but are not aware of the government policies and their impact.

Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by ng12 on Friday March 17, 2017 @04:52PM (#13897901)
> holding people and companies accountable for wrong behavior

That's the question, right? Is this wrong behavior? It's legal, that's for sure. Just because you don't agree with ICE's actions doesn't mean every Palantir employee agrees with you.

Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by sedachv on Friday March 17, 2017 @05:38PM (#13898210)
All of your replies in this topic have been logical fallacies:

1. "Someone else would have done it."

2. False dichotomy.

And now piling on:

3. Moral relativism.

4. Finish the Job. (#49 in http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/engl1311/fallacies.htm)

Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by ng12 on Friday March 17, 2017 @05:57PM (#13898326)
That's not really constructive. Do you have an actual point to make?
Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by sedachv on Friday March 17, 2017 @06:04PM (#13898382)
My actual point is you are a troll engaging in Sea lioning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_lioning
Re:Palantir enables immigration agents to look up informatio... by ng12 on Friday March 17, 2017 @06:10PM (#13898419)
You were complaining about logical fallacies and then discredit my argument as "trolling". Pot, kettle, etc.