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Re:Google won’t be able to resist listening in on your conve... by educar on Friday March 17, 2017 @12:01PM (#13895011)
I have trumpeted this many times but selfhosted​ solutions like cloudron, sandstorm, arkos are the way to go. We want iot devices to send data to our personal servers and not to big brother companies for analysis and mining.

That said, in my experience, people willingly give their data to Google and Facebook. I assumed people were not cognisant but this is not the case. Most people are very conscious of their decision and argue that their data is safer with Google and it's a good trade off. This seems like a PR issue and hard to fix even if selfhosted solutions reach maturity.

Do others share my thoughts? Would love to hear from privacy enthusiasts as to how we can promote better architectures for the web.

Re:Google won’t be able to resist listening in on your conve... by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Friday March 17, 2017 @12:21PM (#13895213)
Well, depends on who you are talking to, but if they are somewhat educated, it can be helpful to draw a parallel to democracy vs. authoritarian government: Even if you trust a certain political leader, establishing a structure where power is concentrated too much is dangerous. Democracy isn't so much about finding the best possible leader, but rather about preventing a worst possible leader from obtaining too much power, because that is what fucks up society.
Re:Google won’t be able to resist listening in on your conve... by yladiz on Friday March 17, 2017 @12:10PM (#13895101)
I think it's a fair assessment, since setting up a self hosted solution generally costs money and may not be as safe/secure as something Google has. I probably wouldn't host my own solution to most things if there is a version available that isn't too costly.

Currently I avoid Google as much as possible because I don't want them to have my information in exchange for a service; I'd rather pay some money for a service that won't siphon my data and use it for various, advertisement based purposes (it's not surprising but it's kinda terrible that they put ads on a device you paid a bit of money for). The reason I stick with Facebook is that there isn't as much of a solution otherwise, but I do try to use alternative messaging apps (Line, Wechat, Kakao, iMessage) when possible.

Re:Google won’t be able to resist listening in on your conve... by pokemongoaway on Friday March 17, 2017 @12:48PM (#13895510)
Why are there no serious competitors to Google Apps? It isn't that difficult to create a software platform that one can select be cloud-hosted for you, or can be self-deployed. This should include DNS management, like Google Apps includes. Please create this and take my money!
Re:Google won’t be able to resist listening in on your conve... by fumar on Friday March 17, 2017 @01:02PM (#13895674)
I can't agree more. Is there room to create a new industry based on privacy? Almost like a shadow on all existing products (including networks)? I will gladly pay to keep my data (which makes up my identity) safe or at least less exploited.
Re:Google won’t be able to resist listening in on your conve... by alistproducer2 on Friday March 17, 2017 @04:14PM (#13897566)
I do. I have been working with raspberry Pis to experiment on " plug and play" services. My first use was a box that used webdriver to perform final transactions on your behalf, like Mint, but on your own server.
Re:Google won’t be able to resist listening in on your conve... by eveningcoffee on Friday March 17, 2017 @12:40PM (#13895399)
More importantly, our home automation data shall not escape our homes.
Re:Google won’t be able to resist listening in on your conve... by KanyeBest on Friday March 17, 2017 @12:13PM (#13895126)
Let me be the devil's advocate for a moment:

Why is it a problem if Google knows more about you? Doesn't it just mean that you will be served content more relevant to you?

Re:Google won’t be able to resist listening in on your conve... by amelius on Friday March 17, 2017 @12:25PM (#13895256)
I guess it depends how valuable that service is.

Right now, I can't imagine that being served content "more relevant to me" is so valuable as to warrant a corporation systematically recording my doings. My current reaction is: I'm perfectly capable of finding relevant stuff on my own, thank you very much.

But I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

Re:Google won’t be able to resist listening in on your conve... by newsat13 on Friday March 17, 2017 @12:26PM (#13895265)
Google is doing good today but it could be owned by anyone tomorrow. Even ARM Holdings changed ownership just this last year because of market/politics. So, replace Google with your poison - China/Russia/Your neighbor/Some bank/Wallstreet etc. Note that this is different from theft and security because in Google's case you willingly gave away the data.
Re:Google won’t be able to resist listening in on your conve... by CaptSpify on Friday March 17, 2017 @01:57PM (#13896273)
Because, depending on your usage, Google can know more about you than anyone else, and can use that knowledge for much more sinister means than "serving more relevant content".
Re:Google won’t be able to resist listening in on your conve... by eveningcoffee on Friday March 17, 2017 @12:42PM (#13895426)
If by that you mean you will be more easily manipulated, then yes.

I do not want somebody else to choose what is relevant for me.