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Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by diminoten on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @11:17PM (#13882198)
The problem here is your cancel reflects poorly on you in Uber's rating system.

But otherwise you're absolutely right. I have taken rides from two people who've called, asking for my destination, and I refuse to tell them. It hasn't caused me any problems in those two instances.

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by brandonbloom on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @11:41PM (#13882310)
> your cancel reflects poorly on you in Uber's rating system

This is simply not true. I just checked: My rating is 4.73. I've probably taken a few hundred rides with Uber. I assume they adjust ratings for bad experiences, especially if you're a regular rider.

By the way: It's not that hard to get consistent 5 stars as a passenger. Be respectful of the driver and follow these steps: 1) Say something like "Hi, are you looking for Brandon? That's me. Good evening. How's it going?" 2) Suffer less than 20 seconds of smalltalk 3) Go about playing with your phone or talking with your co-passengers quietly. 4) Say "This is my stop right there by the red car on the right. Thanks a lot, you have a good night!" - If you're an extrovert, you'd do this anyway (assuming you're not an asshole) and if you're an introvert, it's a good opportunity to exercise your smalltalk with low stakes.

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by martinko on Thursday March 16, 2017 @03:55AM (#13883293)
Wow that eerily reminds me of the s02e01 of black mirror.

No way am I gonna optimize my behavior to get some higher 'rating'.

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by roel_v on Thursday March 16, 2017 @04:04AM (#13883331)
What in this list would you do differently? I'm probably a weirdo with insufficient empathy, but I have a hard time imagining how a civilized person would behave otherwise.
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by homakov on Thursday March 16, 2017 @05:17AM (#13883616)
I get into the car, surf the web and never talk to the driver. Occasionally if driver starts a discussion I give short answers so it stops quickly. My rating is fine and I enjoy no human interaction
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by roel_v on Thursday March 16, 2017 @06:26AM (#13883892)
You never say anything at all? I mean, like, you open the door, sit down, when he stops where you're supposed to be you just get out and don't acknowledge the driver at all?

Sure I don't chat with taxi drivers unless I feel like it but you at least say 'hi' and 'thanks' when you get in and out, or not?

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by homakov on Thursday March 16, 2017 @06:30AM (#13883914)
Of course i say hi & thanks, these are "handshake" words I use automatically interacting with anyone. But no smalltalk, and outside the US, drivers are often silent too
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by roel_v on Thursday March 16, 2017 @10:34AM (#13885306)
Oh OK, yeah that's how I interpreted the GP as well, so then I still wonder how the steps described aren't the default or even just blindingly obvious to the point that doing anything else is weird. I mean I can see when someone is drunk and is annoying, but apart from that.
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by tempestn on Thursday March 16, 2017 @04:24AM (#13883398)
Obviously you don't have to follow that script verbatim. It's just a manner of behaving like a civilized person.

Edit: that said, the quotes from Steeeve below do start to sound pretty Black Mirror

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by bitsoda on Thursday March 16, 2017 @11:29AM (#13885797)
*S03E01
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by Steeeve on Thursday March 16, 2017 @12:45AM (#13882572)
4.7 is low. 4.6 is where drivers get fired. At 4.5 a lot of drivers won't pick you up.
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by brandonbloom on Thursday March 16, 2017 @01:09AM (#13882697)
At least according to this, 4.7 is quite typical for passengers:

http://valleywag.gawker.com/we-asked-you-for-your-uber-score...

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by Steeeve on Thursday March 16, 2017 @03:17AM (#13883148)
I recently read several discussions from uber drivers about passenger ratings.

Many drivers will rate passengers 4 or below if they don't tip. And many drivers skip passengers 4.5 or below, some start skipping passengers at 4.6. I posted some quotes from the discussion below.

I don't think it's about averages, it's about perception. Drivers know that they get fired at 4.6, and they know that most passengers and drivers give 5 star ratings regardless.

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by r00fus on Thursday March 16, 2017 @01:57AM (#13882851)
That's a broken rating system. Why would 4.7 (a 94% score) be middling percentile? And I thought school grade and work title inflation was bad...
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by Steeeve on Thursday March 16, 2017 @03:28AM (#13883188)
It's the nature of surveys. People know that a sub-100% rating in most surveys is bad - troubleshooting sub-perfect ratings shows up all over the place from restaurants to call centers. So happy people give perfect ratings - 5 stars in this case - for the most part.

Drivers have to rate riders before they get their next ride, so every rider gets rated by every driver they pair with.

Lyft states (at least they did) openly that a 3 star rating or below will ensure that the driver and rider are not paired again, and will prompt for a text entry explaining what went wrong.

I don't disagree that the rating system is broken. But it is what it is and it's not likely to change soon.

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by pc86 on Thursday March 16, 2017 @09:27AM (#13884784)
This is why if you have a car salesman you like it's important to give them a perfect rating, including the areas where they're not even mentioned, as the entire survey reflects solely on them. If the question asked how your experience with the Finance Manager was, and you give it a 9/10, it could cost your salesman thousands in bonuses, and have no negative impact on the FM at all.
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by wutbrodo on Thursday March 16, 2017 @02:28AM (#13882978)
Passenger and driver ratings having the same distribution is an extraordinarily bizarre assumption.
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by Steeeve on Thursday March 16, 2017 @03:07AM (#13883116)
Quotes from uber drivers discussing:

> I picked up a 4.5 tonight and guess what is was a 4.5 type of ride. 2 stars bucko

> 4.5 or below are usually problem passengers in my market

> Usually I'll pass on anyone lower than a 4.5.

> I check the score and if they are below a 4.6 I text and inform them that THEY need to cancel and request another driver.

> 4.6 and below? Sorry about your luck. Let the next Uber driver pick up your $2.40 non tipping ass.

> I'm hesitant about anything 4.6 or below (depending on if it's a slow night and other factors).

> i'm usually skeptical of rides under 4.8, but accept trips at a base of 4.5 in the mornings. most of those folks i've chalked up to being bad drunks, and decent during the day.

> If I'm knackered I'll reject a 4.5 or 4.6 as I'm too tired to put up with potential crap.

> I skip anyone below a 4.5 unless it's really slow and I'm desperate.

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by lazyasciiart on Thursday March 16, 2017 @05:19AM (#13883625)
> I check the score and if they are below a 4.6 I text and inform them that THEY need to cancel and request another driver.

I'm amazed that doesn't backfire. Skeptical, in fact.

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by rublev on Thursday March 16, 2017 @08:52AM (#13884567)
This has happened to me so many times, lost like $5 each time.
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by lovich on Thursday March 16, 2017 @10:56AM (#13885496)
I would just let that ride sit and open up another app. I'm fine if the driver doesn't want to take me as a passenger, but I'm not going to take a finacial penalty to support their preferences
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by peteretep on Thursday March 16, 2017 @09:16AM (#13884716)
And you haven't reported it and gotten a refund?
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by rublev on Thursday March 16, 2017 @09:27AM (#13884779)
No I usually kick the curb really hard and then get mad at myself for nearly breaking a toe. Rinse and repeat. I should though.
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by amyjess on Thursday March 16, 2017 @03:47PM (#13888502)
> I check the score and if they are below a 4.6 I text and inform them that THEY need to cancel and request another driver.

My response would be:

"Nah, you can cancel. I can always walk back inside the bar and grab a few more drinks, while you can't operate your source of income until you cancel."

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by pimpl on Thursday March 16, 2017 @07:18AM (#13884098)
is this a black mirror episode quotes?
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by Aeolun on Thursday March 16, 2017 @03:38AM (#13883233)
Rate inflation is real...
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by solidsnack9000 on Thursday March 16, 2017 @04:57AM (#13883525)
Where did you see this?
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by homakov on Thursday March 16, 2017 @01:58PM (#13887255)
If my rider rating goes down I will just create a new account. Never cared about it.
Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by diminoten on Thursday March 16, 2017 @04:06PM (#13888668)
https://newsroom.uber.com/updated-cancellation-policy/

It looks like you get charged $10 for canceling now, after 5 minutes of having a driver assigned.

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by diminoten on Thursday March 16, 2017 @12:20AM (#13882451)
> This is simply not true

How could you possibly know this?

Re:Uber Driver Tip-Hustling Schemes by dnautics on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @11:41PM (#13882308)
If you have a really shady experience. You report it directly to Uber. Let them know that you think the driver may have adversely rated you, and I feel like customer service will roll it back if it's that important to you. but to be honest, an single experience will get averaged out in the wash.