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Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by lawless123 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @05:49AM (#13874972)
Someone is very interested in pushing people towards far right pro-kremlim parties in Europe right before elections..
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by kristopolous on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:04AM (#13875034)
There's also a highly contentious Netherlands elections today[1] and there was a swift escalation in Turkish-Dutch politics yesterday[2].

[1] http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/europe/netherlands-election-po...

[2] http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/03/turkey-suspend...

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by oxide on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:29AM (#13875114)
As an aside, I wonder what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so. It's interesting to think that we are all a part, no matter how large or small, of history in the making. For better or worse.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by kristopolous on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:51AM (#13875187)
I'm gambling on "The Oil Age". Political strife will be placed in the context of petroleum geopolitics, energy sectors, climate change, and what will be dubbed "The first migration" (if ocean levels rise as some predict, there will be a second migration for 10% of global population [1])

You can wrap, among other things, the 70's OPEC wars, 79 Iranian revolution, 9/11 and the rise of Trump in a nice tiny bow and create a coarsely accurate depiction of history over those 45 years. You can even have a little side story about things like the 1985 "We Are the World" charity song without missing a beat.

In the long run, things like Facebook and Snapchat will probably be as relevant and well-known as say, the Pacific Mail Steamship Company. Never heard of it? It's a charter member of the Dow Jones Transportation Average (the predecessor to the DJIA) and an important company from the 1800s ...

[1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-negin/think-todays-ref...

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by smhost on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @11:59AM (#13877014)
When I was in combat training (U.S., mid 2000s), a corporal who was teaching a munitions class one day started pointing to things and listing off random objects. Clothes, chairs, computer, projector, weapon lubricant, etc. He asked what all of these had in common. The answer was that they all contain petroleum derivatives. And that's why we go, he said. The 18-year-old idiot me didn't understand, so that night I went into my Green Monster (didn't have internet) and started reading about recent U.S. military involvement. It culminated in a rather dramatic mental image of Iraqi forces retreating through Kuwait and burning hundreds and hundreds of oil wells as they went. I was still very confused, but I was overcome with a sharp feeling that I was a pawn in a game being played by gods I couldn't see or hear or meet or understand, a game that had been going on since before I was born. I became depressed and cursed my father for not teaching me anything at all useful about the world.

I don't know why I wrote all of that. Maybe just to say that I'm sorry for my part in all of this bullshit.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by anigbrowl on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @01:04PM (#13877692)
Lighten up with this: https://www.amazon.com/Illuminatus-Trilogy-Pyramid-Golden-Le...

There will be plenty of more serious stuff to read later.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by oxide on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @05:22PM (#13879905)
>Maybe just to say that I'm sorry for my part in all of this bullshit.

I don't blame you. You were doing the job you swore you'd do, were paid to do, and likely ordered to do.

Thank you for sharing your story.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by M_Grey on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @01:28PM (#13877953)
For 18... you saw a lot and you saw it clearly; no wonder it hurt so much.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by pjc50 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @07:20AM (#13875307)
> what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so

The history books will be written by the victors. What the history says will depend hugely on whether we have free informational continuity between now and then or a massive legal/totalitarian/military/nuclear/catastrophic "wipe" destroying that.

(Less dramatically, this is obviously the era when intelligence agencies are fighting and the internet is their battleground. ""Cyberwarfare"" is not about turning off power stations, it's about destroying your opponent's ability to do normal open democratic politics. There's even tension between US domestic security services - the FBI director Comey is clearly pro-Trump while the CIA are not, and Trump has gutted the US State Department which has traditionally been the department for interfering with other countries.)

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by kristopolous on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @12:44PM (#13877455)
History is written within the perspective of the writers and benign things constantly drive revisionism. It's often to support a mythical narrative and provide some kind of cohesive abstract framework to justify policy positions and a depiction of an austere past.

For instance, free speech, as we know it, really came around WW1-era and was due to people like Learned Hand convincing Oliver Wendell Holmes. But since then, history has been seemingly rewritten to make it look like it was part of the revolutionary war.

There's plenty of other things ... non-citizens could vote up to 1926. The "American Dream" was coined in 1931 and was essentially backdated to colonial times, etc.

Accurate realities will bunch the pants of essentially everyone regardless of politics. One could argue being openly gay, for instance, in the 1800s was not seen as insufferable. James Buchanan, the 15th president, lived with a man and was referred to by terms that were contemporary to homosexual. I've done fairly extensive private research and can't find it being a controversial thing during his campaign, even though this was a well known fact (I've meant to do some more microfish reading at the library about it). See, there I go messing up the narrative of progressivism and civil rights. Sorry.

The guy after him, Lincoln, was seen so unfavorably at the time that he won the popular vote in 1864 by only 10% - this was after everyone who disliked him had ostensibly already left. You think he'd be a landslide in the remaining states.

There's a narrative of a cordial press during FDR being too polite to take photographs of the man in a wheelchair. Nope, the secret service would confiscate your camera, possibly strip you of press privileges and destroy your film. Kinda like a repressive state.

This isn't the tropish "victors write the history" - this is a more nuanced instance of people framing benign things to support a narrative arc and defend a lensing through the politics of storytelling. The deviations, far-reaching connections, and omissions, can often reveal preferences on what the underlying culture of the author would prefer them to see and can be as revealing as the text itself.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by pjc50 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @03:51PM (#13879189)
[homosexuality in the 1800s]

> messing up the narrative of progressivism and civil rights

Is it? There's a whole subfield of queer history devoted to getting an accurate record of this kind of thing. Arguing that it's always been present in society but treated very differently by different societies.

It does mess up the Whig view of progressiveness being on a ratchet.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by r00fus on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @01:19PM (#13877852)
I had to look up the non-citizen voting thing. Mind blown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in...

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by kristopolous on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @01:48PM (#13878172)
Many of these things I go to university libraries to research. I'm actually walking through downtown LA to get the results of prop 14 in 1952 right now from LA public. That was to repeal article 19 of the California Constitution which excluded and put severe restrictions on Chinese people.

I'm curious if there was an against campaign for its repeal. Most of the online archives I could find referred to it as antiquated and unenforced but I would like to know what the results were and if there's any op eds leading up to it.

Edit: nope, there was an 1880 case that nullified the article. This was a mere formality. There was very little mention of it beyond that. Passed with 78%

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by M_Grey on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @01:20PM (#13877864)
I think in a 100 years there won't be many history books being written. Think of what climate change is gong to do in just the next 30 years, and then be honest with yourself about the next 100. Look at what a small amount of migration has done to global politics, and imagine a couple of billion on the move.

Look at nationalism and populism on the rise. We've passed the point of no-return I think... that will be the lesson for any surviving future historians.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by dpc59 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @03:22PM (#13878956)
I think you underestimate the adaptative capacities of human society. If global warming doesn't exterminate all human life it'll take about one generation for people to get used to it. On the scale of human history a single generation really isn't much.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by M_Grey on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @05:37PM (#13880036)
"Getting used to it" is... maybe not a doable thing. If you think it is though, I'd be interested in how you see that rapid adaptation playing out.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by bbctol on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @09:27AM (#13875898)
2016 was the first year I've lived through where I thought to myself "This is a year people will list in the history books." In the same way people know dates like 1929 or 1848; I don't necessarily think things will turn out that consequential in the long run, but I can envision children asking me "So what was it like to live through that?"
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by sanderjd on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @10:47AM (#13876445)
2001 was the first time I thought that. Then 2008. Now, I agree, 2016 is on the list.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by mehaveaccount on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @09:54AM (#13876074)
Why 1848?
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by kristopolous on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @10:03AM (#13876141)
Very important year for Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848 (My American education completely ignored it)
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by riffraff on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @12:00PM (#13877028)
In italian there is even a surviving expression "è successo un '48" (a 48 happened) that means "everything got messed up/ things got crazy".
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by abakker on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @12:29PM (#13877282)
To paraphrase in a marxist kind of way, I am pretty sure the delta between "to everybody according to their need, from everyone according to their ability" has never been greater. This may be kind of off topic, but while SV likes to talk about being a meritocracy, and corporate earnings and productivity for each engineer working here are staggering, the reality is that the tools SV is creating are not helping things enough. While FB and Google and Uber might be solving some interesting problems, I would tend to say that there are a lot of very talented people here whose talents could be better spent. While engineering is great, what about running for public office? It is clear those roles are not attracting the kind of people we actually want in them.

I see that as a symptom of how futile most public office has become. Maybe term-limits would help, maybe other things would. If we want to fix the problem though, I think the answer starts with the candidates, not just trying to re-engineer a system to persist in spite of all apparent efforts to subvert it. I guess we can all watch, though.

//kind of off topic, but I felt like this was the place to say it.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by anigbrowl on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @12:58PM (#13877619)
Quite so; the 'Great Game' of empires is most definitely back on. My take on this is that Putin is rather masterfully playing the Dutch Nativists and the Turkish autocrats against the social-liberal middle. Having the Turkish President denouncing the Dutch and Germans as nazis while also feeding the nationalist fantasies of Wilders and the various proto-fascist parties around Europe must be pretty entertaining for him; I bet he laughs himself to sleep every night.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by threeseed on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:50AM (#13875186)
This will be known as the social media era of politics. For good (greater engagement, faster news dissemination) and for bad (staggering polarisation, fake news).

I think this will persist for quite some time e.g decades until the next era arrives which will see more earth-friendly, people-centric, less capitalist views come to the fore e.g base income, renewable at all costs etc as automation and climate change reek havoc.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by return0 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @07:03AM (#13875232)
That the abuse of the supposed "mandate" of both elected governments began delegitimizing them in the eyes of the electorate
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by tomp on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:17AM (#13875077)
I wouldn't be that sure - the tensions escalated before today's Dutch elections, but the cause of the escalation was the current ruling party (the PM banned some turkish gatherings/protests, and then blocked a Turkish minister's plane from landing in the Netherlands). So one could argue that the mainstream party tried to woo right-wing-ish voters by taking a stronger stance against Turks/muslims.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by fauigerzigerk on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:25AM (#13875102)
The stance taken wasn't against Turks or Muslims though. It was against an authoritarian ruler campaigning in another country to grab even more power for himself.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by raverbashing on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:36AM (#13875141)
Exactly this

The one with dictatorial tendencies here is Erdogan

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by teekert on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:42AM (#13875156)
I agree, but the PM (Rutte) and his party are definitely benefiting. He had many opportunities before to go harder on Erdogan i.e. when Erdogan bought oil from IS but "we" needed him to keep refugees out of Europe.

The stance is certainly not against Muslims although people might feel it that way. It is against the fact the pro-Erdogan Turks and anti-Erdogan Turks and Curds etc cause unrest in the Netherlands. Most people are welcoming of other cultures but not when they bring their political unrest with them. This whole circus was a signal to Turkey to keep Turkish politics within Turkey. Still, I'm certain our PM would have been less strong if there weren't any elections.

I don't understand Erdogan though, he called on the dutch Turks to not vote for the current PM and Geert Wilders (PVV, far right, anti immigration, pro Netherlands), and now this?! He must know that the couple of Turks that will listen to this will be overwhelmed by Dutchies wanting to vote anything that Erdogan doesn't like... It's like he is intentionally putting oil on the fire, helping PVV. Why is the very important questions, what does he or some other party have to gain? Who benefits from poor EU/Turkey relations?

Edit: after thinking some more: Of course Erdogan is the one who benefits greatly from the created "us against them sentiment" of the Turks. It distracts from all the turmoil and the approaching power grab.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by the_why_of_y on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @08:08AM (#13875499)
Putting oil on the fire is a core part of Erdoğan's strategy. He's afraid that not enough Turks will vote in a couple weeks for the constitutional reform that will establish himself as dictator for life, so he has been trying to stoke nationalist resentment against EU countries for the last months, so that when they respond to his provocations he can represent himself as defender of the Turkish nation from outside attacks.

Erdoğan never missed an opportunity to escalate the situation.

The German government remained mostly calm despite numerous incidents such as preventing government officials from visiting German soldiers stationed in Turkey, the frivolous lawsuit where German citizen and journalist Deniz Yücel is accused of "terrorism", threats of sanctions for preventing public speeches of Turkish government officials (foreign officials have no free-speech rights in Germany, their speeches happen entirely at the pleasure of the German government), and regular Nazi name-calling of German politicians.

The Netherlands however have elections this week where a far-right populist could get many votes, so the current ruling party there (VVD) wants to position itself strongly against Erdoğan's aggressive antics in order to retain conservative voters. This is understandable, but of course it has the disadvantage that it plays right into Erdoğan's strategy.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by mkaziz on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @09:54AM (#13876070)
Of all the governments in the world today, I am most impressed by Merkel's Germany. She has remarkable ability to stand strong in the face of criticism and do what's right without bowing to populism.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by netsharc on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @11:36AM (#13876811)
There's a great profile that shows she's a sleuth politican, despite appearances of being a "Let's wait and see" sort of person. http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/31/angela-merkel-has-a-play...
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by raverbashing on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:46AM (#13875171)
Better late than never

If what it takes for them to do the right thing if fear of losing power to another candidate, so be it.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by mda on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @08:05AM (#13875489)
Oh, how benevolent and gracious of them. Please.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by tremon on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @01:07PM (#13877722)
but the cause of the escalation was the current ruling party

Of Turkey, yes. There's an understanding amongst democratic countries that you do not interfere in national elections. Sending a member of the cabinet to another country during national elections is interfering. Any Dutch government should have sent them packing, and the Turkish government was actually counting on that: now Erdogan has additional ammunition to paint the EU as an enemy. It surprises me that he hasn't declared The Netherlands to be secretly ruled by Gulen yet.

Do you really think it would have gone down nicely if the European Commission would have campaigned in England during the Brexit campaign? Or if Putin would have gone to the US to campaign for Trump?

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by cr1895 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @07:47AM (#13875426)
>the PM banned some turkish gatherings/protests

A Turkish minister's plane was denied landing rights because he intended to address a rally; the rally itself was not banned. Following that, a Turkish education minister was escorted out of the country after trying to address a rally that was surreptitiously arranged by the Turkish consulate. That rally was disbanded after it became unsafe.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by threeseed on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:58AM (#13875215)
The PM never banned protests AFAIK.

This was the decision of local and state governments and was done because in the past similar protests became impossible to control. It's fair enough to allow protests about Dutch policies but a whole different story when it is purely about an internal Turkish issue.

You can't blame the Dutch for not rolling out the red carpet especially so close to an election.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by sinans on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @09:07AM (#13875786)
It is a disaster in terms of democratic values to block a Minister 30 meters away from the Consulate and send her back. And no, nobody believes in the security argument. This move helped the right wing in both countries for the coming elections.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by cr1895 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @10:53AM (#13876495)
>It is a disaster in terms of democratic values to block a Minister 30 meters away from the Consulate and send her back.

A minister of the Turkish government is not entitled to campaign in the Netherlands. She was asked not to do so, yet the consulate arranged for a rally and she attepmted to address that rally. She was therefore escorted out of the country as she abused her privelege of being there.

It's not as if a Dutch politician were blocked from campaigning a pro-Turkish message; this is about a member of a foreign government campaigning to Dutch citizens in the Netherlands (ironically campaigning for the furtherance of a regime which is increasingly undemocratic).

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by eternalban on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @09:23AM (#13875870)
Anti-Globalist =/= "pro-kremlin" [sic].
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by Veen on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @10:57AM (#13876532)
It's curious to me that anti-globalism in the west is so often supportive of authoriatirian rulers and religious extremists elsewhere. It's not as if there's any inconsistency in denouncing Trump, Putin, and Erdogan in one breath. Reminds me of European Communists like Sartre that campaigned for equality in the west while refusing to acknowledge the horrors of Stalin's rule.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by eternalban on Thursday March 16, 2017 @09:39AM (#13884880)
> It's curious to me that anti-globalism in the west is so often supportive of authoriatirian rulers and religious extremists elsewhere.

Globalism is orthogonal to the nature of the global regime. Let us not forget that Communist International was also a globalist movement.

I personally don't know about the "so often" bit, but certainly that is the meme that is pushed by (globalist owned) Media. But should we accept that as a fact, then considering the fact that multiple powers would exist would provide at least the hope of future remedy to citizens of unsavory regimes.

The /only/ hope for remedy for citizens of a (authoritarian) One World Government is catastrophic system failure. That is it.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by Veen on Thursday March 16, 2017 @02:04PM (#13887325)
> catastrophic system failure

Those three words encompasses an awful lot of death and poverty.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by eternalban on Thursday March 16, 2017 @04:36PM (#13888938)
Exactly. To be clear, there is no doubt in my mind that the future of Humanity has to be unified, but I don't believe we're there yet whether we consider the governed or the self-appointed lords, and yet another atempt to create "the new man" to fit in the ideological template imho will entail an awful lot of awfulness.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by raverbashing on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:02AM (#13875029)
Oh I wonder who would that be...

Doesn't seem like a very advanced hack to be honest, and "twitter services" are a constant source of account compromises

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by distances on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:15AM (#13875068)
To be honest I don't find this kind of vague hinting to be at all constructive in discussions. I would greatly prefer if people either voiced their opinions clearly or kept them private.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by lawless123 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:23AM (#13875094)
Ok to be clear , right before multiple European elections , Putins new pal Erdogan is inciting riots, calling people Nazis because they didn't want to host his rallies for a domestic Turkish issue. Obviously these have some domestic benefit for Erdogan but also for far right European parties, many of which already have some financial links to Russia.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/erdogan-and-putin-take-...

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by afarrell on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:26AM (#13875105)
> Putin's new pal Erdogan

Wait what?

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by imron on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @09:16AM (#13875830)
Didn't you see the news?

Everything that works out for the right and against the left is a Russian plot orchestrated by Putin.

The eighties called and decided to lend their foreign policy to the democrats this time.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by lawless123 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:29AM (#13875112)
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by binarray2000 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:55AM (#13875204)
Your source is

http://www.middleeasteye.net

"Middle East Eye is registered as M.E.E. Limited. Registered in England & Wales, Number: 08803692."

http://www.middleeasteye.net/contact-1077837563

About M.E.E. Ltd. from companieshouse.gov.uk:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08803692/officers

Google "BESSASSO, Jamal Awn Jamal" (named as officer @companieshouse).

First result:

http://www.thenational.ae/uae/al-jazeera-executive-helped-to...

First paragraph:

"A senior executive with Qatar’s TV network Al Jazeera was closely involved with setting up the London news website Middle East Eye, some of whose staff have links to organisations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood."

BOOOOM!

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by idiot_stick on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @07:28AM (#13875340)
>""A senior executive with Qatar’s TV network Al Jazeera was closely involved with setting up the London news website Middle East Eye, some of whose staff have links to organisations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood."

So you eliminate as sources any company that might have some staff "sympathetic" to the Muslim Brotherhood? That probably extends much further than you think.

>BOOOOM!

You didn't say anything revelatory or even exciting.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by JimmyM on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @09:54AM (#13876076)
>some staff "sympathetic" to the Muslim Brotherhood

I think you're accidentally overstating the strength of their case, probably just the clause-level equivalent of a typo.

They actually said:

> some of whose staff have links to organisations sympathetic to the Muslim Brotherhood.

So, just to be clear, they're excluding anything with (interpreting the vague language generously) <=3 degrees of separation from the Muslim Brotherhood (organisation -> staff member -> an organisation -> Muslim Brotherhood) as a reliable source.

Totally unscientific, but to put this in a kind of very loose and silly context, Facebook claims that its users are on average connected to every other user by 3.57 degrees of separation. I suspect that the figure for this kind of connection is actually, relatively, much higher, but I sincerely doubt it's all that much higher than 4 (i.e. enough to make this sort of connection relevant) - especially when you think that these aren't even friendship relationships, but something so much weaker!

edit: the link to Facebook's claim - https://research.fb.com/three-and-a-half-degrees-of-separati... and some typos and omissions of my own

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by lawless123 on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @07:28AM (#13875339)
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by raverbashing on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:32AM (#13875125)
I'm 50/50 on it actually being Erdogan supporters or something more "norteastern"in origin.
Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by Quarrelsome on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:25AM (#13875104)
well let us state that given the friendliness between Turkey and Russia despite the arguably staged assassination that they're either conveniently pulling in the same direction or perhaps batting for the same team.

So we can point the attack at the party potentially standing to gain from EU disruption (Russia) or at Turkey itself. Probably the most dull argument (aka most likely to be true) is that this is the work of an enthusiastic member of Erdogan's fanbase.

Re:Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content by raverbashing on Wednesday March 15, 2017 @06:31AM (#13875118)
And to be honest I find this kind of passive-agressiveness unneeded and fairly cynical. You should have avoided typing that because you have added absolutely nothing to the discussion, and you missed the point of a rhetorical question and showed ignorance of the current political status of Turkish/NE relations, added to that the bigger geopolitical context.

You must be fun at parties