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Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by EGreg on Friday March 10, 2017 @04:45PM (#13842423)
I put a 50x leveraged short contract trade 10 mins before that at BitMex, and just before it plummeted, it quickly went up to 1327 and I got wiped out. So I didn't get to make a huge return!
Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by zeusk on Friday March 10, 2017 @05:00PM (#13842543)
> 50x leveraged short contract

This is partly why SEC wants underlying to be regulated.

Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by chillacy on Friday March 10, 2017 @05:39PM (#13842790)
What's stopping him from doing a similar thing by selling deep OOTM options off of money he borrows on his margin account at any other broker?
Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by vostok on Friday March 10, 2017 @05:48PM (#13842841)
Deep out of the money options have optionality whereas BitMex contracts are delta 1 products. They have literally nothing in common. The relevant difference in this case is that the option caps your upside.
Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by chillacy on Saturday March 11, 2017 @05:09AM (#13844979)
My point is that risky financial plays are still possible even in the SEC regulated market. Maybe I misunderstood the parent poster though.
Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by zeusk on Sunday March 12, 2017 @03:13AM (#13849596)
As per SEC requirements, brokers are required to quiz you to makes sure you understand the risks involved in trading derivatives.

Furthermore, selling naked options (Level 3 access) without hedging or verticals requires certain capital and margin requirements, I do not think it is easily possible to get 50x levered in options alone - you'd probably need /ES futures for that.

Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by jbooth on Friday March 10, 2017 @04:56PM (#13842518)
The market can stay irrational longer than.. 10 mins.
Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by Analemma_ on Friday March 10, 2017 @05:07PM (#13842590)
Consider that your expensive lesson about the dangers of short-selling even when you're absolutely sure the price will go down.
Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by patio11 on Friday March 10, 2017 @07:52PM (#13843446)
Leverage and position sizing, not short selling. People with the exact opposite trade also got blown out today.
Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by dnautics on Friday March 10, 2017 @06:27PM (#13843039)
well you don't know how much he lost. It could have been say $1000. Evidentally, the contract was designed to trigger a closure of the position when it dropped out. At a 50x short, an "investment" of $1000 would have yielded $10k on today's turn of events.
Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by h1d on Saturday March 11, 2017 @01:30AM (#13844521)
I'm starting to feel that weird pump was some manipulation to "settle" both sides not to make "winners" from both sides by SEC's decision...
Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by st3v3r on Friday March 10, 2017 @06:17PM (#13842989)
So you spun a roulette wheel and lost?
Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by dnautics on Friday March 10, 2017 @06:27PM (#13843046)
he lost even though it landed on the correct color.
Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by dragonwriter on Friday March 10, 2017 @06:37PM (#13843095)
> he lost even though it landed on the correct color.

On a later spin than the one he bet on. Which, you know, happens in roulette all the time.

Re:SEC Rejects Rule Change for Bitcoin Exchange-Traded Fund ... by st3v3r on Friday March 10, 2017 @07:37PM (#13843387)
No, that was another spin. He also gambled on the timing.

Seriously, who in their right mind takes out an option with such a short life?