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Re:Nevertheless, She Coded by dijit on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @01:28PM (#13822354)
I hate to jump on you, since I commented on a lot of your comments. But I am genuinely curious if you can point me to documented cases. Your anecdotes of "I know women who were sexually harassed or discriminated against" is the same proof that the parent is giving.

I've seen sexism once, it was some guy talking down to the team lead of the help desk, this guy was _shredded_ by every person in the office, before being told to come to HR, someone came to clear his desk that day.

This was in the UK where it is rather hard to fire people, so I find it hard to believe to be quite honest that the situation is anywhere near as dire as it's painted. Of course, I wouldn't see it, I'm a big ugly bearded bloke.

But we need stats, stories, we need to hold people accountable if it's not the way it should be. Not tell everyone it's bad and then go on about feminism. The kinds of people who are causing these issues do not give a solitary fuck about how your girls have your back, especially if you're not going to hold the guy to account in the first place.

Re:Nevertheless, She Coded by and0 on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @02:01PM (#13822638)
The highest-profile case that I'm personally attached to or know people involved in would be the countless allegations against Jacob Applebaum from Tor.

There's one particularly dishonest method that people who defend the status quo use (usually out of sweaty desperation for privileges handed out based on gender, race, or financial class), which is the way they frame incidents of abuse or oppression as completely isolated from society or culture.

If you look at the Uber or Tor cases you have to realize that there is a culture in hacker / geek / IT that enabled it. Hell, if you post on HN must you realize there's values that the majority of us share. And those values that enabled the horrors at Tor and Uber are likely also present in other situations that are based on or include the same culture.

If you think I'm implying all men in SV or on HN are misogynists then you're willfully misinterpreting me, I'm just saying these are systematic / cultural issues and should be addressed as such. Also, it'd be great if you'd step out of the way.

Re:Nevertheless, She Coded by dijit on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @02:12PM (#13822743)
Jacob Applebaum was publicly crucified and Uber also. That would not be a thing if there was an inherent sexism in tech, if that was the case people would have shrugged at it as if it was normal behaviour. They most certainly did not.

I won't comment on "get out of the way".

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Re:Nevertheless, She Coded by dijit on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @03:37PM (#13823558)
Sex crime in Sweden is reported at higher rates than the rest of the world. This is believed to be caused by the fact that it's easy to provide evidence that will lead to conviction and trials are dealt with swiftly.

The reason I bring this up is because if Women know it's normal and accepted to point out their oppressors and that justice will be had, then they will be more likely to report them and the world becomes a better place.

I fight for equality, my fight is no less valid than yours just because I have a penis, but I told you about the refugees already- I don't want women to be in tech if they're not integrated. We _all_ deserve to be integrated.

Re:Nevertheless, She Coded by dang on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @06:18PM (#13824930)
Please stop.