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Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by randlet on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @09:11AM (#13820314)
I agree they make some noise, but having them in your lap during a conference call is over the line imo. If you have kids in the house then you need an office with a door. I've worked from home for 3 years now with 2 kids aged 0-5 and they understand that when the door is closed, Dad is at work and they don't come in.
Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by QuantumGravy on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @09:41AM (#13820505)
In my experience, no, kids that young do not understand that. Furthermore, if you have the door closed for the length of a conference call with a child that young, I'd expect there to be another adult (or responsible elder sibling) there in the first place, such that the burden of not bothering you was never on the child.

If that can't be arranged, you reschedule the call.

Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by JackFr on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @09:55AM (#13820605)
If you have 2 children 0-5 with you all day, and no other responsible adult around, you are not working from home. You are getting some work done while you watch your kids.
Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by randlet on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @11:16AM (#13821219)
Sorry, I thought it would be obvious that there was another adult looking after the kids. It's not really possible to work from home and look after kids at the same time obviously. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on whether they understand/can follow simple instructions. It's never been a problem with my kids.
Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by QuantumGravy on Thursday March 09, 2017 @10:35AM (#13829942)
That is reassuring then. Not convinced their ability to follow simple instructions should even be a factor, though. Kids at that age lack the judgement to know when some rules should be broken.
Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by randlet on Friday March 10, 2017 @08:26AM (#13838369)
I guess after today I should amend my original comment to specify that the door must have a lock too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5A1wg5FA-g
Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by elcapitan on Friday March 10, 2017 @09:29AM (#13838793)
Haha just was going to post this in addition :D
Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by webmaven on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @08:56PM (#13826150)
> having them in your lap during a conference call is over the line imo.

You do understand that sometimes the alternative to the kid sitting quietly in their parent's lap is the kid screaming their head off on the other side of the home office door, right?

Personally, I'll take the kid sitting in the parent's lap as being the lesser by far of two annoyances, thanks.

Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by randlet on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @09:25PM (#13826359)
"screaming their head off on the other side of the home office door"

Whoever is looking after the child should not be allowing them to sit outside the office door and scream! If you're home alone with a kid, you shouldn't be taking conference calls (except under emergency situations e.g. sick kid + critical call).

Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by webmaven on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @09:52PM (#13826513)
> If you're home alone with a kid, you shouldn't be taking conference calls

Right, so only people in two-caregiver households get to work from home. Got it.

Everybody up and down this thread who is assuming that there even is another caregiver needs to check their privilege.

I am not a parent myself, but I have been on conference calls where a colleague tried to keep a child out of their home office for a few minutes (like, for the part of the call when it was their turn to give an update) and it blew up in their face. Just let the kid sit in your lap already, it's fine.

Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by randlet on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @10:21PM (#13826653)
Sorry but I don't believe you can look after your kid all day and work from home at the same time. It's not a matter of privilege, it's a matter of practicality. If you have a full time job, you need childcare whether you work in your home or out of it. I don't think that's particularly controversial.

edit: If it lends any weight to my opinion, I guess I could also point out I work from home and that that despite your assumption I've been the only parent for two children <= 5 years old for the last 9 weeks.

Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by webmaven on Thursday March 09, 2017 @10:35AM (#13829940)
> If you have a full time job, you need childcare whether you work in your home or out of it. I don't think that's particularly controversial.

The need isn't particularly controversial, the availability and affordability is.

Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by randlet on Thursday March 09, 2017 @04:44PM (#13834016)
I guess I'm not sure what your argument is then. Yes childcare can be tough to find and it can be very expensive depending on where you live, but if you're saying its okay to hold a full time remote job and care for your child at the same time, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I dont' think that would be fair to your child or your employer.
Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by webmaven on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @04:59PM (#13934903)
I am not saying it is "okay", I am saying that sometimes there is no other option. Life happens, people cope the best they can, and sometime the reasonable compromise is going to be to let the kid sit on their parent's lap for the duration of a conference call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ojvk-4IcOE

Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by shiven on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @10:44AM (#13820974)
Wait, so what happens to the kids, or what are they doing, while your door is closed (and for how long)?
Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by NetStrikeForce on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @11:09AM (#13821158)
Whatever happens, the message is that it's not as important as what happens on the conference call.
Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by randlet on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @11:21AM (#13821251)
I think you misunderstand. There is obviously another caregiver looking after them. I can't have a 24 hour open door policy with my kids while I'm working from home, just the same as anyone who works in an office.
Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by shiven on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @11:42AM (#13821393)
Then it is perfectly reasonable to have a closed door for calls. However, even in that case, I would not mind an interruption or two during the call. Any more though, I'd start questioning the role of the caregiver.
Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by NetStrikeForce on Thursday March 09, 2017 @07:56AM (#13828919)
I completely understand. Still, we outsource our kids care to be able to care about a conf call.

I'm not saying is the right or wrong thing to do, I'm just saying the message is clear.

Re:Ask HN: Developers with kids, how do you skill up? by randlet on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @11:14AM (#13821209)
They're with their caregiver. If you're looking after kids yourself you're not working from home.