To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by erispoe on Tuesday March 07, 2017 @11:40PM (#13817944)

LA is actually very suitable for public transit: it's a city with multiple, reasonably dense urban centers. The greater LA as a whole is also pretty dense, denser than NY metro area. And the city is investing like crazy in new transit infrastructure. Give it 20 years and, at least in the central parts of LA metro, it will be much more convenient to move by transit.

[ Parent | on HN ]

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by titzer on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @03:40AM (#13818904)

> The greater LA as a whole is also pretty dense, denser than NY metro area.

Sorry, this is not even close. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

There are many ranking areas in NYC in the top 25, and only a few from LA. NYC overall is ranked #6! Los Angeles doesn't even place in the top 130.

[ Parent | on HN ]

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by erispoe on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @12:26PM (#13821733)

I said greater LA, whereby, to be precise, I meant Los Angeles metro area. The density of LA metro is 2,702.5ppl/km2, compared to 2,053.6ppl/km2 for NY metro. LA metro is denser by a good margin.

NY metro area includes a lot of very sparse suburbs. LA is mildly dense all over.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_urban_ar...

http://www2.census.gov/geo/docs/reference/ua/ua_list_all.txt

[ Parent | on HN ]

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by jmchuster on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @10:39AM (#13820934)

You're not really looking at the right information there. Your top 5 cities are in single-digit km^2. For comparison, Yorkville, at 1.29 km^2, in the Upper East Side of Manhattan, has 60,349 persons/km^2.

[ Parent | on HN ]

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by stevenleeg on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @12:59AM (#13818280)

Could you provide a source which backs LA's metro area being denser than NYC's?

I've yet to see any sort of metric (certainly not the US Census) that supports that claim.

[ Parent | on HN ]

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by trome on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @01:18AM (#13818353)

Whenever I go to LA, it seems like an urban slum with no significant development of note (above 6 story) in most of LA. Its as though the land is worthless, even Oceanside has taller buildings than Long Beach or Riverside, and Oceanside is literally the middle of nowhere California!

With that low density style of development, your not going to be able to justify a rail line that can move 20k people an hour, as there aren't enough people who can get to a station to feed it.

I blame LA's zoning that keeps it as an urban slum. Dezone the city and you'd see areas around existing mass transit densify over the next decade.

[ Parent | on HN ]

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by midnightclubbed on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @02:49AM (#13818687)

Bit unfair to Oceanside there, we are closer to San Diego (or to Orange County) than Santa Monica is to Long Beach.

Plus we are sat on the SoCal coast, not exactly middle of no-where...

[ Parent | on HN ]

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by trome on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @06:54AM (#13819644)

Its an hour from anywhere (about even time wise in my experience, whether heading to San Diego or Long Beach), has a beautiful coastline, but there is a gang war currently raging there and it is a rural small town, and that is how it operates (alongside the county gov't in North County).

Hell, there was a murder last week not a block from where I walked daily when I was there a few weeks ago. Had a window get smashed there too a few months back. IMO, Seattle is safer (just gotta keep the crack heads from breaking my windows in Chinatown :P).

[ Parent | on HN ]

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by erispoe on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @12:23PM (#13821705)

Yes, the US Census supports that. See this table on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_urban_ar...

This table is directly extracted from census data: http://www2.census.gov/geo/docs/reference/ua/ua_list_all.txt

[ Parent | on HN ]

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by lightedman on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @11:38AM (#13821359)

LA county alone has a higher population than 42 states in the Union.

[ Parent | on HN ]

Re:To fix L.A.'s traffic, we need tolls by maxerickson on Wednesday March 08, 2017 @11:40AM (#13821378)

Compare to Long Island which has ~70% of the population in about 1/3 of the area.

If LA County is a metro area, I think Long Island is in the comparable NYC metro area.

[ Parent | on HN ]