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Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by Jtsummers on Monday March 06, 2017 @12:36PM (#13804320)
> Muslims make up 10% of the population, and 70% of prison inmates, not to mention most of the crime

Substitute "black" for Muslim and this is the basis of a great deal of racist beliefs and policies in the US. The important question isn't who is in prison, and who is committing crimes, but why. Being Muslim (or Black) doesn't naturally incline someone to be a criminal. Something in the society at large is leading to either higher rates of conviction for the same crimes (the case in the US, harsher punishments for black offenders than whites for the same crimes), or an economic situation that leaves criminal activity as the only apparent or more economically beneficial choice for members of these groups.

Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by Mikeb85 on Monday March 06, 2017 @12:53PM (#13804480)
And I covered this in my post (last paragraph). It doesn't matter though - witness the rise of ultra-right populism in continental Europe, Brexit and Trump.

And crime IS mostly an economic phenomenon, poor expected outcomes in life lead to high crime rates. But there is a link to high migration rates as well (if the economy can't absorb the new workforce quick enough, it leads to problems).

The problem is, the moral dilemma ceases to matter when a majority of the population (you can call them dumb, racist, whatever, but they're part of society) votes in someone to 'solve' the problem. There is a point where feelings and morality don't matter as much as practicality.

Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by SamReidHughes on Monday March 06, 2017 @12:59PM (#13804550)
> Being Muslim (or Black) doesn't naturally incline someone to be a criminal.

How do you know this? It might. I'd bet being Muslim inclines somebody to not be a criminal for some types of crimes, in fact, so I wouldn't categorically dismiss the idea that religion affects criminality.

Also as has been well-discussed here, crime rate differences are still present in non-economic crimes and your attempts to explain the situation fall flat. It's a story you're making up, badly, and to talk about this stuff with that kind of certainty is a bad look. The truth is, we don't know.

Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by daenney on Monday March 06, 2017 @01:25PM (#13804785)
> How do you know this? It might.

And based on an "it might" it's fine to just assign blame and pass judgement?

> I'd bet being Muslim inclines somebody to not be a criminal for some types of crimes, in fact, so I wouldn't categorically dismiss the idea that religion affects criminality.

In fact? By what facts?

Re:Revised executive order bans travelers from six countries... by SamReidHughes on Monday March 06, 2017 @02:00PM (#13805088)
> And based on an "it might" it's fine to just assign blame and pass judgement?

What on Earth are you talking about?

> In fact? By what facts?

The fact there is regarding the question of what bet I'd make. "In fact" is a common figure of speech.