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Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by DamnYuppie on Thursday March 02, 2017 @11:20AM (#13775249)
You don't need massive air and naval power to be very tough to attack. All you have to do is see the Afghan wars, both Russian and American, for great examples. They had no airforce and no need for naval forces.

A large armed and mobile force is very able to put up solid resistance to pretty much anything you can throw at it save for nukes which will likely never be used.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by muninn_ on Thursday March 02, 2017 @11:27AM (#13775325)
Whatever military force was in Afghanistan never posed any sort of credible threat or resistance against the US military. The "resistance" that the US military faced came in terms of the US military wanting to try and recreate the society there, and having troops attacked while just driving around or facing resistance while conducting raids. If the US military wanted to, they could have easily destroyed every single living being and human structure in Afghanistan without much effort, they just didn't because they don't do that kind of stuff as a matter of policy.
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by pm90 on Thursday March 02, 2017 @12:11PM (#13775847)
You could basically say the same thing about any post WW2 engagement, but it means nothing. To wipe out all humans/buildings is an empty threat. Theoretically, the US could get rid of any country it didn't want by nuking them.
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by eveningcoffee on Thursday March 02, 2017 @01:25PM (#13776705)
This is what Russians did in the Second Chechen War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1999%E2%80%9...
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by muninn_ on Thursday March 02, 2017 @01:16PM (#13776613)
Right, but that makes the parent comment to mine meaningless as well. The United States allowed a resistance only so much as it was tolerable versus something they cared about more.
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by ocschwar on Thursday March 02, 2017 @01:14PM (#13776599)
Russia isn't going to utterly destroy Sweden either.

What they want is to disintegrate the European economy so they can have better access to it.

Leveling Sweden would be both expensive and unprofitable. Bullying Sweden is much more up Putin's alley.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by Spooky23 on Thursday March 02, 2017 @02:15PM (#13777232)
Huh?

Who is in control there? Hint: not the US.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by muninn_ on Friday March 03, 2017 @01:26PM (#13784883)
Control in what sense?
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by rocky1138 on Thursday March 02, 2017 @11:35AM (#13775423)
> save for nukes which will likely never be used.

save for nukes which will likely never be used, again.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by M_Grey on Thursday March 02, 2017 @11:51AM (#13775611)
>save for nukes which will likely never be used, again.

save for nukes which will be used the very instant a nuclear armed nation faces the prospect of brutal conquest by a hated enemy, or a last desperate stand to defend dwindling resources.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by ekianjo on Thursday March 02, 2017 @11:51AM (#13775619)
Good correction.
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by BurningFrog on Thursday March 02, 2017 @11:30AM (#13775363)
Afghanistan was easily conquered by both the USSR and the US.
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by mikeash on Thursday March 02, 2017 @11:48AM (#13775559)
But not easily held. Both nations would probably think twice before trying it again.
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by BurningFrog on Thursday March 02, 2017 @12:31PM (#13776086)
True.

But the cost to Afghanistan has been enormous. Four decades of constant war, millions dead, and near the lowest lifespan and living standard in the world.

Is that really the defense strategy a country should aim for ? Will a modern latte sipping atheist nation really execute it?

Also, there are many other reasons to invade countries than to hold them long term.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by TeMPOraL on Thursday March 02, 2017 @12:36PM (#13776154)
It does present a deterrent for the enemy who would like to invade and hold your territory. So it addresses that kind of attack. It does not address other kinds.

In a war, your losses don't usually concern your enemy. But they do care about how much it costs them to achieve their goals, so if you can make it prohibitively expensive, you have a sound defense.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by muninn_ on Thursday March 02, 2017 @01:19PM (#13776644)
But that's not what happened in places like Afghanistan with respect to the US. The US never wanted to "conquer" Afghanistan. If the US did want to, it could have easily killed every single person in the country and then just start building Starbucks on every corner.

The goal was to root out what they perceived as an enemy and hostile nation that harbored terrorists, and then recreate a society much more tolerant and sympathetic toward Western values. In that, there is no conquering needed. It's called nation building, and it's very different.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by crystalmeph on Thursday March 02, 2017 @11:47AM (#13775549)
For certain values of "conquered." The "bad guys" never seem to be completely conquered, and still enjoy significant freedom of movement and access to supply lines.
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by RobertoG on Thursday March 02, 2017 @12:16PM (#13775892)
the conquered are the "bad guys"?
Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by crystalmeph on Thursday March 02, 2017 @01:22PM (#13776671)
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, and I'm the one who put "bad guys" in quotes!

I put it in quotes not because I believe in moral relativism, but because in the conflict against the USSR, official US policy was that the mujahideen were "good guys, or at least not-as-bad-as-the-other-guys," while in our own invasion, they were bad guys, an assessment I share due to their harboring of terrorists who intentionally murdered thousands of civilians.

Re:Sweden brings back military conscription by thrillgore on Friday March 03, 2017 @12:50PM (#13784617)
Genghis Khan did it too but it sure as hell didn't stay occupied.