"Ulcers aren't caused by stress, they are caused by bacteria!"

"Heresy!! String him up!!!"

If you've got compelling historical sources for holocaust denial or compelling scientific evidence against climate change, let's see it.

Before your automatic downvote, I'm not denying climate change and some of its future effects (maybe even catastrophic). But the fact that it's happening doesn't explain or justify why people seem so eager to see its effects in everything even without a scientific proof whatsoever.

Oh please. No one would even try in this political climate. As you said "don't believe in climate change? you are a nazi".

    > No one would even try in
    > this political climate

It is obvious to see - marathon runners, sprinters, etc

http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/10/04/public-views-on-climat...

Further, unless you're a climate-change scientist, holding anything other than the 97% consensus view among climate-change scientists is willful ignorance, usually along partisan lines.

I'm ready for another two terms; from the outside looking in I expected continuance of the bombs dropping, the climate talks to continue to end in toothless agreements, the off-shoring of abysmal labour conditions to continue unabated, and so forth, regardless of whether your executive wore red or blue.

Please give me reason for hope, because we need it.

The problem isn't trying to socialize them.

Their beliefs are a matter of faith and as such is not something they are willing to seriously question without help. You simply cannot "socialize" this problem away. The reality is, these are people who genuinely caught up in a web of charismatic con artists and unfortunately we reality is we will not be more effective than professionals. I have friends who I interact with daily who support Trump and socializing with them it has become clear they take dogma over facts. And I don't mean things that are heavily politicized like Climate Change. I mean, literally, year old events that have dozens of news articles (including multiple right-wing sources) they choose to disbelieve over their chosen charismatic leader on YouTube and Right Wing Radio.

This isn't something you can fix with socialization. This is a willing blindness of cult followers who have been decieved.

https://cultnews.com/2015/01/how-do-you-deprogram-a-scientol...

> Deprogramming a current member of Scientology would depend upon the concern and support of family and friends.

> a charismatic leader who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose their power;

> a process [Lifton calls] coercive persuasion or thought reform;

> economic exploitation of group members by the leader and the ruling coterie.

1) They felt vulnerable and they were losing ground in what they believe is a religious war on "their" belief system by Cultural Marxists / PC / Liberal culture. They feel that old institutions that they value have been weakened or destroyed outright. (i.e. Marriage) They rely on charismatic leaders to focus their worship. (i.e. Trump, Rush Limbaugh, Milo)

2) The "cult" has created a filter bubble in which cult members discuss things among themselves and assume all outside influences are heretics acting in bad faith to lure them away from the light. (i.e. They attack credentialed experts while holding up small minority opinions that are not the views of almost all experts in that field of study) People who act against this are ostracized by the party, called cucks, RINOs, etc. (i.e. Right wing talk radio, Alex Jones, Blogspam, Fox News Opinion Shows)

3) The "cult" acts against the economic best interests of the majority of its members and instead focus on servicing the needs of its ruling coterie of donors. (i.e. It focuses on servicing the needs of the wealthy donors and their beliefs.)

Socializing and normalizing people who claim people never shot BLM protesters, Mosques don't get burned down, and Sandy Hook never happened is the opposite of what you should do.

I'm sorry, but normalizing that behavior is not a viable solution.

If the numbers were different we could marginalize these people. But the numbers aren't different and it doesn't help that generally speaking liberals tend not to vote in off elections. So the problem is even worse. Marginalizing will blow back.

That makes it clear you don't understand the problem.

This isn't about scientific consensus (which they can deploy reasonable sounding experts to "debunk") but literal fact denial of events (such as shootings and arrest records) that happened in the previous 1-5 years.

Once a group of people start arguing that events that occurred a few months or a year ago simply _did not happen_ because it is wrongthink it is no longer a political animal but a cult. It is at that point you can't "socialize" those people and you need to seek alternatives.

Please explain to me why people are denying Sandy Hook was a real event?

They also deny things like this happen:

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/11/the-3-a...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/760250/Texas-mosque-burn...

Despite the fact I can link them to articles.

Please explain to me how that isn't cult thinking and fundamental denial of reality?

This isn't some lunatic fringe at this point but includes people the President of the United States either takes advice from or treats as friends (i.e. Alex Jones).