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Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by hackuser on Monday February 27, 2017 @05:58PM (#13749334)
> The next person to take a picture of the Earth from moon may not be on a government funded mission.

Note that the press release says:

Most importantly, we would like to thank NASA, without whom this would not be possible. NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, which provided most of the funding for Dragon 2 development, is a key enabler for this mission.

Your tax dollars, if you are American, helped pay for this. Thank you and congratulations - if it works out; if not, was it worth the risk?

EDIT: In response to many below, remember that the U.S. military isn't the only alternative use of the money. Taxpayers could keep it, or it could go to other programs such as education and health. (Personally, I'd happily pay more taxes for more space exploration, education, health, and military necessary for security.)

Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by ChuckMcM on Monday February 27, 2017 @06:18PM (#13749494)
As a taxpayer (who was just reminded this past weekend of how much that is :-) I'm really glad that NASA had enough budget to spend on the Commercial Crew program. Given that the NASA budget of $18.5B[1] is a rounding error on the overall budget $3,540B[2], seriously it's a half a percent. And commercial crew was only $1.2B [ibid] of that NASA budget. So less than .05%. Again rounding error.

And with that money they are getting two different spacecraft that can fly missions. So I think it was a great way for NASA to contract out the development of a crew capsule they could use on their missions.

That one of the companies that participated has done so in such a way that they can make a commercially feasible 'tourist' vehicle out of it? That blows my mind.

[1] https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/NASA_FY_2016_...

[2] https://www.cbo.gov/topics/budget

Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by simonh on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @04:52AM (#13752572)
A lot of what any government does is a rounding error on the overall budget, but are still absolutely vital. Those rounding errors don't half add up quickly. I'm pro-space exploration and believe it's worth funding, but this particular argument doesn't strike me as useful. Space exploration and technology development should justify it's costs on the same basis as any other government programs, any number of which of which could be revolutionized by 'small' increases in the overall budget.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by Cerium on Monday February 27, 2017 @07:02PM (#13749837)
If instead of increasing military spending 54 billion, we gave it all to NASA, we could be quadrupling NASA's budget.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by Tepix on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @04:24AM (#13752474)
NASA should pass it on to Elon.

If we establish a permanent Mars colony, that would really increase security for all of mankind.

Building more nuclear weapons is NOT increasing security.

Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by spydum on Monday February 27, 2017 @08:05PM (#13750242)
The risk is that more money does not always mean more progress. Government organizations tend to grow all by themselves (would be interesting if you could legislate some productivity targets into budget expansion maybe?)
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by whyenot on Monday February 27, 2017 @08:48PM (#13750449)
Why is it so important to send people on these missions outside of some 21st century version of manifest destiny? NASA could do so much more with its limited funding if it just cut out all the humans.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by gozur88 on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @07:18PM (#13759683)
Carl Sagan used to make that point. From a science perspective, you get a much, much better bang for your buck sending robots. But as Larry Niven pointed out to Sagan, every time you convince someone that manned space doesn't make sense you convince them there's no reason to go into space at all. Yes, NASA could do a lot more with its budget if it didn't do manned space, but if it didn't do manned space NASA might not exist at all.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by effie on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @07:49PM (#13770331)

  > every time you convince someone that manned space doesn't make sense you convince them there's no reason to go into space at all
That's just well-sounding nonsense. People can appreciate science and exploration even if it does not involve video of humans in outer space. Video or photos of celestial objects are enough reason for the laic public and there are many physical measurements that should be done to advance our knowledge. All this can be done very well and cheaper without humans onboard.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by BHSPitMonkey on Monday February 27, 2017 @09:09PM (#13750556)
This mission's passengers appear to be funding it, at least in part.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by jessaustin on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @09:28PM (#13760425)
In that case we're using the wrong word. Tourists go on "tours", not "missions".
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by mikeash on Monday February 27, 2017 @06:16PM (#13749474)
The tax dollars we spent on this would probably have funded about twelve seconds of the Iraq occupation instead, so I'd say sure, easily worth it.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by 1001101 on Monday February 27, 2017 @06:34PM (#13749638)
Along those lines, just the air conditioning for tents in Iraq and Afghanistan circa 2011 eclipsed NASA's budget http://gizmodo.com/5813257/air-conditioning-our-military-cos...
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by lettergram on Monday February 27, 2017 @06:15PM (#13749462)
Rockets (or any research) > bombs any day of the week.

Yes, my tax dollars going towards research (even indirectly) is better than the way most of my money is spent

Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by maxerickson on Monday February 27, 2017 @07:45PM (#13750116)
Historically rocket research has been funded to develop the capability to deliver bombs.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by TeMPOraL on Monday February 27, 2017 @08:24PM (#13750335)
Which seems to imply that military spending is pretty beneficial for humanity as long as it's spent on researching new cool ways of killing each other, and not on actually using them.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by lucaspiller on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @01:10AM (#13751666)
Military spending in WWII led to the invention or development of (to name a few) penicillin, radio navigation, synthetic oil and rubber, jet engines, nuclear power and computers. However some of these were pretty close to being invented even before the war, so it's hard to say how much the war progressed technology.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by kbenson on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @01:05PM (#13755962)
> However some of these were pretty close to being invented even before the war

Penicillin, for one, was discovered over a decade prior to WWII. A method of mass production was developed in 1940, but have no idea how much that had to do with the war.

Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by justin66 on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @01:35PM (#13756349)
> Which seems to imply that military spending is pretty beneficial for humanity as long as it's spent on researching new cool ways of killing each other, and not on actually using them.

The sixties-era DARPA method: throw a bunch of defense money at a bunch of really smart people without getting too specific about how much of the research should proceed.

Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @02:17PM (#13756859)
Exactly what I had in mind.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by gozur88 on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @07:19PM (#13759689)
The military is something like 20% of the budget. That's not where most of your money is going.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by bdamm on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @02:14AM (#13761916)
You're including social security and medicare/aid, which is not entirely money that can be easily diverted. Especially social security. Without those, defense is the lion's share of the budget, and with Trump's new proposal, even more so.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by gozur88 on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @01:13PM (#13766512)
Sure... if you wall off most of the budget and then look at the rest, defense is the lion's share.

But that makes no sense.

Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by lorenzhs on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @04:02AM (#13752391)
Note that NASA encourages its contractors to use their stuff for private missions as well—building more of the things reduces unit price (by amortising development cost) and thus costs for NASA, so it could be that this results in lower overall cost to US taxpayers. In addition it helps collect more data on safety etc, which is in NASA's interest, too.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by Florin_Andrei on Monday February 27, 2017 @06:23PM (#13749548)
> if not, was it worth the risk?

yes

Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by splitrocket on Monday February 27, 2017 @06:36PM (#13749654)
The reason you have a computer that fits in your pocket, much less requires its own room with a reinforced floor is due to the NASA space program.

On edit: meant for the parent comment, but its parent instead

Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by Animats on Monday February 27, 2017 @06:57PM (#13749788)
The reason you have a computer that fits in your pocket, much less requires its own room with a reinforced floor is due to the NASA space program.

No. That's a common misconception. ICs were a commercial development, and microprocessors came from the calculator industry.

Pre-IC electronics miniaturization was pushed hard by the USAF; NASA just used it. The USAF had a flyable transistorized computer in 1954, before NASA existed. The Minuteman I missile (1962) carried a transistorized guidance computer.

Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by pinewurst on Monday February 27, 2017 @07:22PM (#13749979)
Also Polaris, a little bit earlier (deployed 1960) had a very small transistorized guidance computer which was the design root of the Apollo Guidance Computer. Polaris was much more of a DDA (digital differential analyzer) than real computer though.
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by ascorbic on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @03:09AM (#13752165)
ICBM development is basically a space program with a different budget code though, right?
Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by gozur88 on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @07:23PM (#13759730)
Yes, though there was a divergence later. For various strategic reasons you want your ICBMs to use solid rockets, so while the early manned rockets were liquid fueled ICBMs mated to capsules, money spent on ICBMs today probably doesn't do much for a civilian space program.

On the other hand, I doubt we spend much money upgrading our ICBMs. The technology is mature, and that's an area where "good enough" is, well, good enough.

Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by pinewurst on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @12:38PM (#13755603)
And a delivery service too - "Your package delivered in 30 minutes or less or next one's free!"

(There at least used to be a Minuteman silo with the door painted like a pizza box with that slogan)

Re:SpaceX to Send Privately Crewed Dragon Spacecraft Beyond ... by BurningFrog on Monday February 27, 2017 @06:42PM (#13749691)
Tax dollars, yes but not as any kind of subsidy.