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Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by geggam on Monday February 27, 2017 @06:44AM (#13743528)
How is it the same people working for one president less than 60 days later act so different ? or are they ?
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by schtitt on Monday February 27, 2017 @07:05AM (#13743616)
No, they're not different. Every time I am visiting the states I have to go through the extra process of interviewing (due to things that happened a long time ago), and every time I am struck by how it seems like they're actively attempting to dehumanize the persons who are there. The border control is actually the #1 reason I am considering never visiting again. Though, as the original author, I love the US, so it's difficult.
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by infodroid on Monday February 27, 2017 @07:24AM (#13743698)
> Though, as the original author...

Do you mean to say that you are the French historian Henry Rousso?

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by afandian on Monday February 27, 2017 @08:30AM (#13743983)
In English you can say "as X, Y", for example "as Google, Microsoft releases code, "as last time, I was late" or "as the author, I love the US". It doesn't mean that "Microsoft = Google", or "I am last time" or "I am the author".

Google's dictionary (wherever it comes from) has

> conjunction 2: used to indicate by comparison the way that something happens or is done

I think you're thinking of

> preposition 1: used to refer to the function or character that someone or something has

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by efaref on Monday February 27, 2017 @09:06AM (#13744239)
In this case, "as the original author" would be taken by a native speaker to mean the person is speaking with the authority of being the original author, i.e. they are the original author. "As" is only used for comparison when it is clear from context that that's the case. The idiomatic way to express what I think is intended is "like the original author".
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by infodroid on Monday February 27, 2017 @09:05AM (#13744227)
That's just wrong. In the original comment, "as" was used as a preposition and not as a conjunction. But it is grammatically incorrect to use the preposition "as" to draw a comparison instead of "like". See for example: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/as-o....
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by schtitt on Monday February 27, 2017 @09:31AM (#13744435)
You all bring up good points, and I agree that the usage was imprecise and/or wrong, though the original comment did, IMO, contain enough information that you should be able to deduce with a significant probability (in the Bayesian sense) whether or not I am, indeed, the great French historian Henry Rousso!
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by infodroid on Saturday March 04, 2017 @08:40AM (#13790842)
No, there wasn't enough information to conclude anything either way. That's why I asked the question.
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by afandian on Monday February 27, 2017 @10:03AM (#13744703)
Ah well. You win. Congratulations? I'm not here to argue over grammar. It seems like you have sufficient grip on the language to have understood the comment you quibbled with.
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by infodroid on Monday February 27, 2017 @11:49AM (#13745549)
This isn't a competition. While I appreciate that you were only trying to be helpful, in reality proposing false theories doesn't add anything of value to a discussion, especially when the issue can be settled with a basic web search.
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by salvar on Monday February 27, 2017 @12:34PM (#13745996)
Do you think asking a question sarcastically was the best way for you to add value to the discussion?
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by infodroid on Monday February 27, 2017 @03:17PM (#13747535)
What makes you think I was being sarcastic?

I never anticipated anybody would be so moronic as to think that.

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by lawless123 on Monday February 27, 2017 @07:33AM (#13743736)
I think they mean "just like the original author"
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by coldtea on Monday February 27, 2017 @08:59AM (#13744160)
No, he means: LIKE the original author, ...
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by skocznymroczny on Monday February 27, 2017 @06:48AM (#13743547)
Probably it's been like that always at the US border, it's just now it's popular to showcase such stories as an example of "look what Trump did to our country". I heard of horror stories at the US border way before Trump took office.
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by ajeet_dhaliwal on Monday February 27, 2017 @08:30AM (#13743981)
I think you're right about it having been going for a while because I used to live in Canada and visited the USA regularly and I found that in both countries not just border officials but the police behavior was incredibly rude and counter productive compared to what I was used to in London, in the UK. I could detect there was a certain glee some of these people get from treating other people badly which is actually quite alien in my experiences in the UK. I'd say it's actually a cultural difference because it's so prevalent over there compared to here.

The part where he mentions three officials immediately shouted down a man in unison after he protested about their treatment of the woman with the child is a perfect example of the cruel and over the top behavior I was witness to. It's also quite cowardly to need three people to do that and pathetic. I should say I was not often the victim, but just watching other people being treated in this way made me feel sick and I think it's something that should be addressed by the citizens, you should say denounce this sort of treatment of anyone. Anyone who gets pleasure out of causing any sort of suffering of another person should be removed from their post, based on my experiences that would require a complete overhaul from top to bottom.

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by dagenleg on Monday February 27, 2017 @07:06AM (#13743618)
That's one of the good things about this whole media campaign against Trump. The media is throwing everything they can find at him and in the process expose a lot of heretofore ignored problems that have been festering for years. Maybe something will finally change?
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by nraynaud on Monday February 27, 2017 @07:04AM (#13743610)
I guess there is a self selection bias in the people who apply to work in the DHS, ICE and CBP in particular, and now they are given a political validation to their instinct.

But it's clear, my personal close call at the US border was under Obama, and that I am far from calling him someone in love with justice.

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by Arnt on Monday February 27, 2017 @07:06AM (#13743620)
Obama didn't get blamed for such things because he clearly didn't want them to happen. They happened, can't tell how often, but he didn't want or intend that. I didn't have the impression that Dubya wanted to harass random foreigners either.

Trump, OTOH, is the kind of person who wants to throw out all the Yemeni in case one of them is another Timothy McVeigh.

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by titraprutr on Monday February 27, 2017 @07:26AM (#13743705)
> he didn't want or intend that

You can't really prove this. Something being said in the front of the camera with a fake smile on the face is one thing, documents being signed that are not released to the public is a different story.

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by lawless123 on Monday February 27, 2017 @07:34AM (#13743739)
True ,but we sure as hell know Trump publicly endorses it. Obama wasn't a lightning rod for this. Trump has made himself one.
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by jccc on Monday February 27, 2017 @08:26AM (#13743958)
And that's had a direct effect on the attitude and behavior of immigration goons:

"[...] the shift — and the new enthusiasm that has come with it — seems to have encouraged pro-Trump political comments and banter that struck the officials as brazen or gung-ho, like remarks about their jobs becoming 'fun.' Those who take less of a hard line on unauthorized immigrants feel silenced, the officials said."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/25/us/ice-immigrant-deportat...

https://twitter.com/JameelJaffer/status/835842617103503361

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by AReallyGoodName on Monday February 27, 2017 @12:04PM (#13745694)
This combined with the fact that they now demand access to your facebook account on entry means I'm scared to post anti trump comments online. I need to travel between my birth country and my new home in the USA regularly. If I get a pro-trump homeland security agent (and it seems many of them are) scanning my phone. I fear I might be denied re-entry despite having a valid work visa.

I guess we'll be seeing more and more of this in the near future. I and other non citizens are now silenced. A few more laws like this to silence a few other anti-trmup groups and the USA will slowly creep into totalitarianism for fear of losing everything they have.

I'm just glad my birth country is Australia and I can happily return there before it gets really bad in the USA. The biggest problem I'm having is where shall I draw the line where I pack up my life here and return.

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by Arnt on Monday February 27, 2017 @08:00AM (#13743849)
Right.

Any king can claim to be innocent when a bishop is killed in his realm, and may in theory be innocent. One that said "oh, won't someone rid me of this troublesome priest" before the bloodshed can't expect to be believed innocent, though.

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by coldtea on Monday February 27, 2017 @09:00AM (#13744173)
>Obama didn't get blamed for such things because he clearly didn't want them to happen.

If he "didn't want them to happen" it would have been trivial to stop them. Would not even need a new law, a presidential speech would be enough.

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by Arnt on Monday February 27, 2017 @10:29AM (#13744893)
An example would be a great way to support that assertion.

When I applied for... it doesn't matter precisely what. I've forgotten, actually, but it was some piece of paper that foreigners need, and only foreigners. Anyway, when I applied for that I chanced upon an official who didn't have much sympathy for foreigners. I got my paper in the end, but it wasn't because of his helpfulness.

Can you describe, as an example to support your assertion, what should have been in the speech to make that official speak a understandably to foreigners? Slur a little less, swallow fewer consonants?

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by coldtea on Monday February 27, 2017 @11:42AM (#13745484)
>An example would be a great way to support that assertion.

An example of what? That the POTUS, who appoints the Homeland Security secretary, could, if they so wished, absolutely influence behavior and/or policy in the TSA?

>Can you describe, as an example to support your assertion, what should have been in the speech

How about something like: "Any malevolent behavior and unnecessary harassement to visitors from border officials wont be tolerated?"

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by Arnt on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @04:22AM (#13752460)
"Memo to all: Harassment is henceforth a firing offsense. And if it's your word against theirs, you're still going to be fired."

Realistic?

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by teddyh on Monday February 27, 2017 @09:13AM (#13744286)
> Obama didn't get blamed for such things because he clearly didn't want them to happen.

“If only the czar knew!”

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by refurb on Monday February 27, 2017 @09:59AM (#13744665)
That's pretty much it. I can remember stories from a decade ago about Canadians traveling to the US. They get the "business or pleasure" question. They say "pleasure" and then the border patrol does a quick search, finds "business" papers, then proceeds to ban the person for 5 years from entering the US.

Nothing has really changed with regards to how people are treated.

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by shitgoose on Monday February 27, 2017 @02:19PM (#13747021)
Yep, I can confirm that.
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by rwmj on Monday February 27, 2017 @08:12AM (#13743898)
I had "extra screening" at the US border in 2007 or 2008 (I forget exactly when it was), and it wasn't much fun back then.

I think the author of this article made the classic mistake of admitting he was being paid for work, which is forbidden with a regular US tourist visa. It turns out that he did have the right visa (or the type of work he was doing is permitted - it wasn't clear in the article), but as soon as you say that you're being paid, it sets off alarm bells.

Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by dboreham on Monday February 27, 2017 @08:41AM (#13744035)
I am very white and a native English speaker and I can attest that there have always been rude and overzealous immigration officers. Heck they are rude to me when we cross the border from Canada with the wife and two kids in the car and in-state license plates.
Re:How a French scholar was treated at US airport by j1j1j1j1 on Monday February 27, 2017 @08:39AM (#13744021)
This has been the case for a decade at least.

My understanding -- reading between the lines -- is that if someone has been to the US on a J1 they are more likely to return and work illegally.

CBP screen based on this. It sucks, and has for a long time. I've not personally experienced any change post-Obama. The major variability is in the CBP agent, not in top-down policies.

At the end of the day you have to choose between open and closed borders. If you want to close your borders then screening is a tough business. The main difference between the US and the rest of the world is scale and desirability. A lot of people want to go there, more than any other country in the world. That makes it difficult!