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Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by ohto on Saturday February 25, 2017 @09:23AM (#13731688)
I'm at the point that I don't even try new Google products because I don't trust that they will stay around. I got burned too many times: Wave, Knol, Google Health, Buzz, Notebook, Answers, and most importantly Google Reader.

There is just no way I'm investing time in any new Google product. They are untrustworthy.

For instance, why on earth would I want to use Allo when still Hangouts exists? We know one or both will get cancelled within a year or two. I'm not going to sick my neck out and try to get my friends and family to use one of those platforms only for them to go away.

Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by _wmd on Saturday February 25, 2017 @09:29AM (#13731716)
Same here, only new thing I touched in 4 years has been GCP, and only then to discover I couldn't use it due to a ridiculous and completely undocumented embargo they implement for users in some countries. Same old Google crap ignoring or failing to understand the customer

"Let's use Hangouts" "Sorry what's that?" "Google's screen sharing" "Just use Skype" "Ok"

Don't forget after investing the entire company into Plus and failing to gain traction, they pulled the rug out from underneath the whole thing. I'm told similar internal focus is now applied to GCP, doesn't mean I wouldn't expect the compny to just one day say "bah, fuck it, we couldn't dominate that, turns out people require something from us beyond engineering, so I'm not playing because I haven't a clue how to do that" again

Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by kevin_thibedeau on Saturday February 25, 2017 @10:25AM (#13731921)
> Same old Google crap ignoring or failing to understand the customer

You are the product, not a customer.

Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by lallysingh on Saturday February 25, 2017 @10:37AM (#13731974)
That post is about Google cloud, where you're a paying customer and you're not shown ads.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by DashRattlesnake on Saturday February 25, 2017 @12:25PM (#13732580)
Just curious, but could Google's culture have evolved so that it tends to treat all their users as products by default, even if they're actually not in a particular case? "You are the product, not a customer" applies to most of what they do, and that has to have had an effect.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by lallysingh on Sunday February 26, 2017 @02:00PM (#13739023)
I'm an ex-googler. It's not that way. Googlers are themselves heavy users of the products.

Ads are treated like any other machine learning problem. The belief is that ads should be (essentially) predicted search results.

Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by themihai on Saturday February 25, 2017 @11:41AM (#13732303)
The way services are deprecated and prices change makes me feel you are a product, at least if you are early adopter.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by pzh on Saturday February 25, 2017 @11:15AM (#13732166)
Maybe they can offer Google Cloud entirely running on ads, where they inject them at the load balancer. That way they won't have to deal with customer support.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by pzh on Saturday February 25, 2017 @12:45PM (#13732711)
Why are you downvoting? This is how search works and it's not like Comcast hasn't tried the other technique either.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.infoworld.com/article/2925839...

Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by jboggan on Saturday February 25, 2017 @01:06PM (#13732849)
It's laughably common that Googlers don't know about a product that they themselves would be interested in using until they see external news about the product being cancelled.

It's pretty demoralizing. We are the biggest evangelists for the products because we are proud of our co-workers and Google. But it gets harder and harder to evangelize to our friends and family when things are so quickly withdrawn.

Hopefully the Spaces team got their promotions out of the launch.

My advice to people making these kinds of decisions at any company of any size: when sunsetting a project (not just putting it into maintenance mode) consider the real cost to internal morale and to brand equity.

Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by wmccullough on Saturday February 25, 2017 @09:28AM (#13731711)
Came here to say just this. At this point the only thing I really use from them is Search and Gmail. I just dont trust that anything else will stick around.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by sdegutis on Saturday February 25, 2017 @09:58AM (#13731810)
Also Maps.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by stevesun21 on Saturday February 25, 2017 @12:01PM (#13732418)
Map is not stable. Especially as you use it to navigate. I just almost park my car on the highway beside the Hiton hotel I want to check in!
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by AlecSchueler on Saturday February 25, 2017 @10:28AM (#13731932)
and YouTube.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by DashRattlesnake on Saturday February 25, 2017 @12:34PM (#13732639)
Mockery aside, the rule "don't rely on Google products unless they're utterly dominant" is a good one.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by btown on Saturday February 25, 2017 @03:33PM (#13733671)
Well, Reader was the dominant RSS reader...
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by sdegutis on Thursday March 02, 2017 @12:04PM (#13775777)
Then maybe it should be: "Don't rely on Google products unless they're utterly dominant and necessities." Maps, email, search, are all needed in modern life. RSS readers lost out to Twitter & Facebook years ago.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by dotancohen on Sunday February 26, 2017 @01:52AM (#13736042)
And adsense. Well, I guess the adsense goes without saying.

But what else has Gooogle ever done for us?

Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by caoilte on Saturday February 25, 2017 @10:36AM (#13731967)
And droid.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by throw_away on Saturday February 25, 2017 @10:48AM (#13732006)
"All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by jaredsohn on Saturday February 25, 2017 @11:27AM (#13732225)
and Chrome
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by hooluupog on Saturday February 25, 2017 @11:40AM (#13732297)
and Photos
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by nih on Saturday February 25, 2017 @12:05PM (#13732450)
What has google ever done for us?
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by drdeadringer on Saturday February 25, 2017 @12:51PM (#13732744)
If user usage is any factor in these product shutdowns, I wonder if Google has created a negative feedback loop on such a variable. Users won't try it knowing or highly suspecting the product will be cancelled in 2 years, and in 2 years Google cancels the product because there are no users.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by laserDinosaur on Saturday February 25, 2017 @11:02AM (#13732086)
I started using Google Inbox for a while, but never got seriously invested in it other than a novelty (despite really liking the interface). I just know it's only a matter of time before it gets killed off and I'll be back to Gmail anyway.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by googler88 on Saturday February 25, 2017 @01:05PM (#13732846)
This is closer to the truth then you know. There is an internal ongoing effort to merge the few useful features that only exist in Inbox, like snooze, into the GMail codebase.

If your inside of the Google network go/bye-inbox has all the information.

Disclaimer: I work for Google and joined Team Sabotage a year ago to cause as much damage to the company as possible.

Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by GioM on Saturday February 25, 2017 @08:58PM (#13735194)
Wait what? Can you comment at all on what that 'team' is?
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by candiodari on Saturday February 25, 2017 @02:15PM (#13733221)
I'm more scared that it'll be gmail that'll get killed off in favor of inbox.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by bane on Saturday February 25, 2017 @11:17AM (#13732179)
The only new google service I've signed up for in the last few years was Project Fi, and that's simply because it wouldn't be a nightmare to move my number back to another carrier if Google just decided they got bored with it.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by oedenfield on Saturday February 25, 2017 @11:29AM (#13732235)
I use (and like) Project Fi as well. Porting a number and/or taking the unlocked phone to an AT&T or T-Mobile store was also why I went with it. Do I honestly expect Project Fi to be around in 2 years? No.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by pasbesoin on Saturday February 25, 2017 @03:30PM (#13733664)
Unless they come up with a comparable "unlimited" plan, this year's (re-)launch of these by the major U.S. carriers is probably one of the final nails in the coffin.

Non-technical low-cost people probably aren't going to find Fi, and "power users" are going to go for unlimited, especially as data use climbs.

And... I doubt Google will keep Fi around to support a bunch of low-cost, "minimal" users. Where's the money ("new Google") and what's to learn ("old Google")?

Sigh. And just as the T-Mobile network (and Fi comes also with Sprint) was starting to look broad enough to warrant moving away from Verizon.

Well, as others have said, who believed it was going to last? For my own Google use -- which for me doesn't currently include advertising/marketing -- I've basically drawn the line at the "traditional" Google office apps. As far as I know, they still dogfood those, internally. Anything newer? Not worth any long-term investment / lock-in.

If I return to doing some web sites (a few people want me to, currently), I'll look into whatever are the current best practices for indexing high and being appropriately exposed on Maps and the like.

Oh, and, by the way, Site Search, just the other day? Really? You're already indexing it, Google? What does killing off this mildly customized search entry point save you?

Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by tajen on Saturday February 25, 2017 @12:18PM (#13732538)
Why use Skype or Google Hangouts when there is https://appear.in ? No login, no central server, no app to install, just screen sharing, audio and video...
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by drdeadringer on Saturday February 25, 2017 @12:52PM (#13732751)
For me it's because this is the first time I've heard of it. Thanks!
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by rabboRubble on Thursday March 02, 2017 @12:39AM (#13771729)
I still hold a massive grudge about Google Reader. That single retreat caused me to reduce my Google services usage, a habit that I continue to this day.

Maybe once a year, I check Google Takeout services to see what I've used, then go on a deleting spree. I hope at some point outlook.com matures to a point where I can abandon Gmail.

Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by Gustomaximus on Saturday February 25, 2017 @11:01PM (#13735594)
I feel a good middle ground for Google would be to make a rule when they close a product, where possible, they hand it off.

They can announce they are closing and look for people to take over product, the best team vs not some 'for sale' situation. While it would add some additional work it would keep peoples faith in trying google products and we' likely see some cool success stories of the back of their startup efforts.

Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by UseStrict on Saturday February 25, 2017 @10:32AM (#13731949)
I'm the same way, no reason to trust that any of their new products will stick around. I only use their most common products: Calendar, Mail, Maps, and Search. I don't want to have to invest in migrating platforms every year or two.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by caub on Saturday February 25, 2017 @10:10AM (#13731854)
I think it's healthy that non-successful product get shut down
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by Karunamon on Saturday February 25, 2017 @11:39AM (#13732290)
I think non-successful isn't the metric Google is using, else Reader would still be around.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by derscheister on Saturday February 25, 2017 @11:56AM (#13732383)
You live in a fucking bubble if you really think thats the case.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by alvil on Saturday February 25, 2017 @10:16AM (#13731884)
Can't agree more.
Re:Google Spaces will be shut down on April 17th by djsumdog on Saturday February 25, 2017 @12:04PM (#13732449)
Google Reader getting shut down was a good thing. After I moved to other RSS readers, I realized just how terrible Google Reader was. It wouldn't give you alerts if a feed started to 404 among other bugs and quirks.