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Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by danielweber on Thursday February 23, 2017 @09:29PM (#13720358)
Many many years ago, I was at a software company, and a competitor popped up making very similar software. They made a presentation of their software at a conference, and had a slide showing a screenshot. Our typos were clearly visible.

Fun times, fun times. We got a few people fired, but that was about it.

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by curun1r on Friday February 24, 2017 @01:44AM (#13721598)
I used to work at a small company that made a SaaS product for a niche HR function. One of our largest customers, a bank whose ATMs you likely see every day if you're in the US, decided to drop our service in favor of a solution built in-house. We were disappointed, but had to let them go.

Then, about 2 years after they'd canceled, our support department got a strange email from a user that was having problems. At first, the support rep didn't understand the issue and asked the user for screenshots of the problem. Sure enough, the screen shots looked exactly like our old product, which had been decommissioned over a year prior. It even had our support email address and phone number on it. It turns out the version of the software they developed in-house started by scraping our site, renaming all the .html files to .aspx and then making the dynamic parts be data driven.

When we called them on it, they basically threatened to use lawyers to put us out of business if we pursued the issue, so I guess our management decided to drop it. We did make them change the support email and phone number.

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by unityByFreedom on Friday February 24, 2017 @03:00AM (#13721882)
> When we called them on it, they basically threatened to use lawyers to put us out of business if we pursued the issue, so I guess our management decided to drop it. We did make them change the support email and phone number.

This is why we can't have nice things. Darned lawyers. Can't live with them, can't live without them

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by non_sequitur on Friday February 24, 2017 @11:15AM (#13724936)
To be fair ...saying you'd use lawyers to put someone out of business makes no sense unless the company had done something that the lawyers could go after. Hating on lawyers for being aimed at a company is like hating the court system for being available. The bigco's lawyers arent doing this of their own motivation. I'm' sure there was other stuff going on that made the op's company back down.
Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by sangnoir on Friday February 24, 2017 @02:06PM (#13726616)
Yet another believer in the Just world hypothesis...

As Cardinal Richelieu said[1] about 400 years ago: Give me six lines written by the most honest man in the world, and I will find enough in them to hang him

1. the attribution of this quote is disputed

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by curun1r on Saturday February 25, 2017 @12:22PM (#13732569)
In this case, I believe the threat was twofold. They'd drag out proceedings so that we couldn't have afforded to make it to a judgment. But they'd also threaten to cancel a deal with one of our other large customers if they didn't cancel with us. Knowing basically our customer list and how much those customers paid for the software, it wasn't much work to infer the company's somewhat tenuous financial situation. They guessed, correctly, that we'd drop it rather than risk the company's future on a successful lawsuit that, win or lose, would likely mean the loss of a significant customer.

There was nothing we'd done as a company that was actionable.

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by ytpete on Saturday February 25, 2017 @02:46AM (#13730549)
I wouldn't assume so: a larger company can afford to sink a lot more money into litigation, so they could effectively bleed the small company dry defending even a frivolous lawsuit.

Patent trolls are one example of this - where they may deliberately select weaker defendants (instead of going after the bigco "infringers") so ensure they hold the upper hand in the financial power imbalance.

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by unityByFreedom on Friday February 24, 2017 @11:19PM (#13730032)
I was only kidding. You can say that of any profession.

Some day people will say the same of software engineers.

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by squarefoot on Monday February 27, 2017 @05:45PM (#13749198)
"This is why we can't have nice things. Darned lawyers. Can't live with them, can't live without them"

A lawyer can screw you badly, but if you want to screw a lawyer you need another lawyer. If taken as a category, they never lose.

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by mariusmg on Friday February 24, 2017 @09:33AM (#13723933)
>can't live without them

Really?

Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by ocdtrekkie on Friday February 24, 2017 @10:07AM (#13724270)
Without lawyers, Google would need to actually secure their data, rather than counting on lawyers to clean up the mess they made here.
Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by jlebrech on Friday February 24, 2017 @03:00AM (#13721884)
you could have put their ip in a firewall or rate limited their access to mess with them.
Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by mysticmarvel on Friday February 24, 2017 @09:38AM (#13723982)
One does not simply "mess with" an international bank.
Re:Alphabet's Waymo Alleges Uber Stole Self-Driving Secrets by castratikron on Friday February 24, 2017 @05:42PM (#13728616)