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Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by Reason077 on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @08:23PM (#13710848)
Tesla is a $45B company right now.

Perhaps that sounds like a lot. But consider that Uber is valued at $68B.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by tbabb on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @09:27PM (#13711151)
Uber is probably overvalued.

But consider that future Tesla will probably be owning/running a service like Uber. Add to that grid storage, solar power installation (from which it makes interest on loans to the consumer), powerwalls, battery production for other industries (including possibly every other car manufacturer), and whatever else Tesla branches out into once those markets are established.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by eddieplan9 on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @11:08PM (#13711557)
Like Samsung, which has a fab all the way up to consumer facing phone business?

Excessive vertical integration is over-valued, unless you holds a monopoly position in at least one of the component of the vertical.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by sean_appleby on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @11:52PM (#13711754)
Is it unrealistic that the gigafactory will create a near-monopoly on batteries for self-driving cars?

They're going to own about half of the world's battery production capacity at ~30% reduction in cost per kwh over current production. Plus they're planning three more factories.

Selling core tech to other car companies seems like a lucrative long term move.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by dangrossman on Thursday February 23, 2017 @01:58AM (#13712174)
> Is it unrealistic that the gigafactory will create a near-monopoly on batteries for self-driving cars?

How would it do that? And why are self-driving cars a separate category when it comes to battery suppliers?

> They're going to own about half of the world's battery production capacity

There should be about 200 GWh of worldwide production capacity by the time GF1 is fully ramped up. That means they'll have about 17% of it, not half. BYD alone will match that. So will Foxconn and Boston Power. Then there's LG Chem, Samsung SDI, SK Innovation, etc.

These names have committed over $20 billion to additional battery factories over the next 2-3 years, many of which have already broken ground. They're also largely ahead of Tesla's position in the battery business already, are better capitalized, and have no intention of dropping out of the market rather than expanding to meet the expected future demand.

It's easy to get roped in by Tesla's press releases and marketing materials, where they do things like compare the GF's expected production rate at the end of 2018 to worldwide production numbers from 2013. The rest of the market isn't standing still.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by intrasight on Thursday February 23, 2017 @01:14AM (#13712010)
Tesla should buy Uber and get that house in order. Also makes sense since the future is "mobility services" and neither alone can deliver on that promise.
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by kodfodrasz on Thursday February 23, 2017 @06:12AM (#13713022)
Do you actuallly beleive what you are writing? From outside the SV bubble the future is cars. Electric, self driving, rentable and owned as well. Where I live there is reasonable public transport infrastructure. Self driving ridesharing mobility service from my point of view. I do not find it clean enough, I do not like the people I often have to share my ride. I prefer an own car. This won't change by "self driving uber", because people prefer privacy, and an own vechicle can give privacy and intimacy which a rended one will never provide.
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by intrasight on Thursday February 23, 2017 @03:48PM (#13717630)
I do believe that the future is mobility services. I don't think it's going to happen soon but I do believe it is going to happen. I believe that it will, within my lifetime, become illegal to drive your own vehicle on public roads.
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by Reason077 on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @07:14PM (#13759659)
I believe that it will, within my lifetime, become illegal to drive your own vehicle on public roads.

I don't think that's going to happen. It might happen on some roads, in order to reduce congestion or whatever, but there's no reason to ban human drivers in general.

That's because "autopilots" can run in passive/safety mode, ready to take over and prevent you doing anything really stupid. This is already starting to happen, in fact, with AEB to be installed in all new cars by 2022.

Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by woah on Thursday February 23, 2017 @08:53AM (#13713825)
Doesn't your dislike of other people also make you dislike public transit, meaning your first point and your second point contradict each other?
Re:Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estim... by kodfodrasz on Thursday February 23, 2017 @09:19AM (#13714004)
I have no problem with the vast majority of other people. I have problems with some small minorities (based on behaviour, cleanliness, etc), and not being able to select who I share my ride with is the problem. The future mobility is either fancy name for taxis, without a driver who makes sure the car is clean, and works at a low utilization (1-2 people per car) as current cars, or small buses where I cannot choose who I travel with, which doesn't fit for everybody. So my point is: no big revolution is comin up, only incremental evolution.