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Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by gus_massa on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:03AM (#13680281)
Dams failure can be even more catastrophic, but people is not worried about it. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banqiao_Dam

> Its failure in 1975 caused more casualties than any other dam failure in history at an estimated 171,000 deaths and 11 million displaced.[1] The dam was subsequently rebuilt.

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by literallycancer on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:21AM (#13680376)
Case in point, the Mosul Dam is predicted to fail soon, but the local government doesn't really care.[1]

By the time the flood wave rolled past Baghdad and exhausted itself, as many as one and a half million people could be dead.

1 - http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/02/a-bigger-proble...

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by fossuser on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:27AM (#13680421)
I think that's a disingenuous comparison.

While a dam failure may kill more people, a nuclear disaster can leave a place uninhabitable for a thousand years. Radiation sickness and damage is also arguably scarier to the public than risk of physical harm from a dam failure.

A lot of people have some religious argument against Nuclear power - I'm not one of them, but a lot of other people seem to downplay the real risks.

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by anigbrowl on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:26PM (#13681419)
We've had a bunch of failures, and they've been bad, but the number of casualties has been low and the damage largely local. 3 mile island, Chernobyl, Fukushima are all obvious examples. I'm not downplaying the risk here but she shouldn't exaggerate it either. I agree about the religious argument but istm that getting past that requires looking at the actual proportions of economic harm involved.
Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by salesguy222 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:26PM (#13681420)
Thank you for writing this. I was merely describing why some people have problems with nuclear (which do exist), and why they are so public and controversial

Now im being downvoted because dams kill more people when they fail. I'm sure they do! But that doesn't change the fact that [people other than myself] will continue to oppose nuclear because of its negative PR

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by andromeduck on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:52PM (#13681604)
God forbid we don't live in some tiny area for a few hundred years. What will the planet ever do.
Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by adangert on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:30AM (#13680440)
Well I think it's because people understand what happens when a dam fails vs when nuclear fails its all this horrible radiation that goes out, or other mysterious and harmful effects.
Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by biofox on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:33AM (#13680452)
It has nothing to do with nuclear power failing catastrophically. As another commenter points out, the failure of damns can be even more destructive.

I think the issue is that nuclear power is intimately linked to nuclear weapons. As a result, you end up with images like these in the public imagination (Simpsons clips), which have no foundation in reality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-p7Rs_6l5g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRLf8k-2bY4

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by saxonklaxon on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:28AM (#13680425)
>when nuclear power fails, it tends to fail catastrophically.

Nuclear fission, right? And let's not forget that coal mining accidents are equally catastrophic for the families of the victims.

>theres no clear reason why humans should be consuming so much electricity and energy

On the contrary, we have no choice but to consume more power. This isn't just a matter of wanting more things: it's about survival.

The talk is about climate change and animal extinctions right now but there's an unlimited number of additional environmental problems to solve if we and our fellow organisms are to survive. Warming, meteor strikes, supervolcanoes, the next ice age -- these are are just four of the known problems.

So we have no choice but to continue to increase our scientific knowledge, technology and wealth. This entails the efficient and safe wielding of greater and greater quantities of energy.

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by lutorm on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:15PM (#13682019)
efficient is the key. It's about outcomes. There's nothing saying we need greater quantities of energy, because very little of the things we as a civilization do are fundamentally energy-limited.

Over the long term, there is no shortage of energy. Unless you're going to argue about Dyson-sphere limits, the Sun provides an amount of energy far in excess of what we'd need. On that scale, the total energy available through fossil fuels and nuclear fission is a drop in the proverbial ocean.

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by ianai on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:09AM (#13680323)
I think you're probably basing your statement on failures on what's reported in mass media. Mass media definitely pick up the biggest stories. You can't use that as a sample space.

Secondly, many people have become rich due to oil. Those same companies and tycoons pay off politicians hugely.

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by lightlyused on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:02AM (#13680274)
Not really on your first point. A lot of the failures are not in the dangerous radiation parts of the nuclear plant, but in the cooling and power generation aspects. I've worked on planning software for a plant and have seen the incredible detail that goes into plant maintenance. Done right, nuclear power is safe. Don't go thinking that I'm a conservative, very liberal and environmentally friendly here.

I completely agree on your second point. It is all about profit.

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by salesguy222 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:46PM (#13681556)
Thank you! i am pro nuclear too. i was narrating why other people are anti-nuclear. couldn't agree with you more

it is all about the profit for them. genuinely scared of how powerful they are

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by na85 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:26AM (#13680414)
How am I supposed to interpret the parentheses around the word regulate in your comment?
Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by CharlesW on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:30AM (#13680438)
It's shocking to see this being normalized on HN. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses
Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by aswanson on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:42AM (#13680494)
I'm hoping the ggp did not intend for it to mean that, in good faith. It's probably a mistaken interpretation.
Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by salesguy222 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:32PM (#13681456)
Thanks for writing this, I didn't. I knew ((())) had right wing origins, but I didn't know the history of it regarding Jewish names.

In my comment, I described that some business owners who fund right wing politicians feel that there is a globalist conspiracy to cut into their biz profit margins, by penalizing carbon waste.

Hence, they feel (((regulation))) is a conspiracy against their personal business empires.

This is all my analysis. It is not to say that I believe people who believe in regulations are Jewish, and that they should be penalized for this.

So I am upset that people downvoted me, if they thought I am an anti-semite

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by refurb on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:39AM (#13680481)
I don't think "regulate" is a Jewish name.
Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by mikeyouse on Sunday February 19, 2017 @12:11PM (#13680668)
The type of person that uses those parantheses usually thinks that there is a global cabal of Jews running the world, so when he says (((regulate))) he's insinuating some plot by the 'globalists' to further their own aims.
Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by salesguy222 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:22PM (#13681396)
I am insinuating that some of the largest producers of carbon waste feel that there is a Jewish Globalist conspiracy to affect their profit margins.

To confirm this, you could just look at the politicians they fund. Hint, they aren't pro-Globalism.

So I don't appreciate that people are downvoting me for using ((())) when I was using it to describe someone's views, not my own

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by salesguy222 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:26PM (#13681423)
I am insinuating that some of the largest producers of carbon waste feel that there is a Jewish Globalist conspiracy to affect their profit margins. To confirm this, you could just look at the politicians they fund. Hint, they aren't pro-Globalism. So I don't appreciate that people are downvoting me for using ((())) when I was using it to describe someone's views, not my own
Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by grzm on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:37PM (#13681487)
HN is not the place to ever use incendiary language or innuendo, regardless of who's views are being described. It's hard enough having civil, constructive discourse in an online forum. To purposefully inject such language makes it impossible.
Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by salesguy222 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:41PM (#13681519)
Personally I disagree with you, not because I am Jewish or anti-semitic, but because there is no need to censor myself when something is such a seriously important issue.

When dealing with politics, people signal who they are based on what actions they actually do. When you research people who are anti-regulation, you may notice some trends.

Since you believe in censoring my discussion of these types of people, the reader will need to google this elsewhere, since apparently to satisfy you, I must not inject one word of potentially controversial information that might offend even just one person

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by grzm on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:48PM (#13681577)
I think you misunderstand me. I am not arguing that you should censor what you say; I'm arguing that you should take extra care in how you present your argument. (Or, more simply, it's not what you say, it's how you say it.) The HN community strongly values civility and substantive discourse. To discuss difficult, contentious topics requires extra effort to ensure that forward progress is made.

If that level of restraint doesn't interest you, HN might not be the place you want to discuss these types of topics. Regardless of your position, HN members will downvote and flag uncivil and flamewar inciting language.

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by salesguy222 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:54PM (#13681617)
Thank you, I can respect this! I will stress once more, that specific words or phrases that are uncivil or flamewar inciting are difficult to assess beforehand, in my opinion.

one day it will be ((())), the next day, someone may be offended that someone is criticizing their company for a product failure, such as at Samsung. This stifled debate of any kind, in my opinion, because there will always be someone who stands to lose something and therefore be offended by a debate that affects their vested interests negatively

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by grzm on Sunday February 19, 2017 @03:04PM (#13681668)
I will stress once more, that specific words or phrases that are uncivil or flamewar inciting are difficult to assess beforehand, in my opinion.

If this is something you're concerned about, I suggest taking some time away from commenting on contentious issues (even those you may only suspect are contentious) until you get a better understanding of HN community standards and behavior. For example, if you're going be offended if people downvote your comments and continue to comment on being downvoted, you're going against community guidelines and likely going to attract even more downvotes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Scientists have detected a major change to the Earth’s oc... by salesguy222 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:08PM (#13681995)
Thank you, that's fine, I can totally respect the wishes of the community :)