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Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by paulpauper on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:03AM (#13679726)
Real estate is one of the best ways to make long-term wealth. Homes in many regions of California have increased 3-4x since 1996. Unless you bought at a really bad time (2005-2007) almost anyone who holds real estate comes out ahead in 10 years vs. renting. Renting is a really lousy deal in the long-run and as possibly the short-run due to the very high deposits required on some properties, which lock the renter for very long periods and the rent increase always exceeds inflation.

Avoid foreign real estate though unless you are very careful

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by pg314 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:39AM (#13679913)
It is a bit more nuanced than that. Buying a house is a highly leveraged (if you have a mortgage), undiversified and relatively illiquid investment.

House prices have indeed gone up, but there is no guarantee that they will continue to climb. There is a limit to how high they can climb relative to income. You also picked one of the hottest real estates markets as a point of reference. The returns in many other places are much lower. As a comparison, the S&P 500 with dividends reinvested over that same period (january 1996 to january 2017) has returned 440%.

When buying a house, timing is crucial for the return. Renting and monthly investing in the stock market has the advantage that your investment is spread out in time.

For most people, the biggest advantage of buying a house with a mortgage is that it imposes a discipline: you have to pay off the monthly instalment. If you rent you might be tempted to spend the rest of your income instead of investing it.

[1] https://dqydj.com/sp-500-return-calculator/

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by paulpauper on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:43AM (#13679932)
assuming you buy the home outright, the returns can be boosted by renting it-or-on the money you saved by not renting. If you put all your $ in stocks, you still need somewhere to live.
Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by pg314 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @10:12AM (#13680045)
Sure. And taxes complicate the situation further (lots of countries have tax incentives for home owners). But as a homeowner you're on the hook for maintenance and repairs. You're also a lot less flexible: when you rent, it is easier to move for a job or if your family expands/contracts.

Both have advantages and drawbacks. I just don't think it is the no-brainer you make it out to be.

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by sokoloff on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:38AM (#13679908)
Real estate is one of the few ways to make substantial wealth gains with little starting wealth (because of the large leverage that is possible and the norm on the transaction). That's why you hear so many stories of middle class people making $500K+ on their house over a decade.

That doesn't necessarily make it one of the best ways overall, but it is a very good way if you're starting with little because it's basically your only option. Trying to scale that up (into real estate beyond your personal residence, rental properties, etc) is pretty close to buying yourself another job. If you work at that job diligently, you will do better in rental property than in your own residence, but it's work.

For those with some capital (say 1+ million USD) and a full-time job, real estate as a second job is not a particularly good fit IMO. The un-levered returns you can get in the stock market are better and the time commitment is largely optional and can be at a time of your choosing.

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by idiot_stick on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:25AM (#13679836)
>Real estate is one of the best ways to make long-term wealth

The long-run real returns to real estate are essentially zero. TINSTAAFL.

The only reason it's "profitable" for the average person is because the financial system allows for easy leverage (home mortgages). Take away that subsidization and real estate is just another asset class with no advantages.

>Homes in many regions of California have increased 3-4x since 1996

And many random stocks have increased 3-4x since 1996. So what?

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by pg314 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @10:16AM (#13680069)
If the long-run real returns are zero, they will also be zero with leverage (assuming you can borrow at a zero real intrest rate).

Leverage is only an advantage if your return is higher than your cost of borrowing.

Re:The Rise of the Professional Airbnb Investor by idiot_stick on Sunday February 19, 2017 @12:24PM (#13680736)
>Leverage is only an advantage if your return is higher than your cost of borrowing.

Which it is for housing, and many other investments. Only the bank won't lend you $500,000, backed by the government, to buy stocks.

My qualm with the OP was the implication that real-estate has outsized returns. Unless you're taking advantage of a home mortgage, there's nothing significant about real-estate returns. Of course most of us here are of the generation that saw nothing but rising house price (except for that one time where they didn't, but that's an anomaly, right?)