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Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by coldtea on Friday February 17, 2017 @07:03AM (#13667623)
>I'm a musician, so when people see that I'm using Ubuntu Studio for my DAW, I usually hear a few chuckles .. until I fire up Ardour, show them my plugin list, the standard suite of synths and effects I use, and so on .. that usually shuts them up at least.

Well, it's not that impressive compared to something like Live or Cubase.

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by tomcam on Friday February 17, 2017 @07:24AM (#13667737)
Everything the Beatles, Sex Pistols, Sinatra, Louis Armstrong, Lou Reed, Abba, Dylan, Led Zeppelin, The White Stripes, and Miles Davis used to record with was infinitely less powerful than Ardour. Yet somehow they were able to cough up some acceptable music.
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by coldtea on Friday February 17, 2017 @12:06PM (#13669806)
Yeah, and Bach wrote on mere sheets of paper.

Your point being? "A subpar DAW should be enough for everybody in 2017 as long as it's better than 70s era studio technology"?

Not to mention that you compare apples and oranges. These people did rock, punk and/or jazz, not modern r&b, pop or electronic music that are usually more demanding of a DAW for one.

Second they had tens of thousands and sometimes millions of dollars as a budget for a single record, great facilities with top-notch acoustics, multiple producers, access to orchestras and top-notch musicians, and crazily expensive consoles with people to operate them for them.

Third one doesn't compete against Louis Armstrong era sound but against their own's generation's sound and production techniques.

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by Daishiman on Friday February 17, 2017 @03:39PM (#13671517)
The point is about diminishing returns. There's nothing you can do in one modern DAW that you can't with the others. The enhancements you get year over year are minimal and the amount of users who are pushing those tools to their limits is negligible.

Heck, the more advanced users end up going with a lot of hardware-based solutions and analog equipment.

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by mmjaa on Monday February 20, 2017 @03:59AM (#13685637)
There is nothing sub-par about Ardour as a DAW. It ranks up there with the other tools you mention in terms of capabilities and features. I simply don't need to use anything else.
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by 4ad on Friday February 17, 2017 @10:56AM (#13669083)
Less powerful but more usable.
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by funnyfacts365 on Friday February 17, 2017 @07:05AM (#13667639)
Can you modify Live or Cubase?
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by oelmekki on Friday February 17, 2017 @08:14AM (#13668038)
Or even a better question : can you plug Live to Cubase? Audio on linux is not just playing catch up, the whole jackd system, allowing to take output from any program supporting jack (most programs for musicians) and use it as an input for an other one is unparalleled, afaik.
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by smonff on Friday February 17, 2017 @08:23AM (#13668091)
For those who don't know, Jack allows to plug any software, virtual instrument or sound card in/out into any other one almost as simply as it would be on a physical mixer. This is also the meaning of Freedom: you are not condemned to follow the editor choices in term of possibilities.
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by coldtea on Friday February 17, 2017 @11:53AM (#13669678)
>This is also the meaning of Freedom: you are not condemned to follow the editor choices in term of possibilities.

There's also another meaning of freedom: freedom from having to care of worry about the platform, and being free to create, because you have a thing that "just works".

For musicians that's more important than "route everything to everything" (for which there are solutions even for commercial DAWs, e.g. Rewire for those that do care for it).

It's all about tradeoffs, but Jack and "freedom to modify DAW code" is pretty down on the list of priorities for 99% of musicians.

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by bostand on Friday February 17, 2017 @05:17PM (#13672203)
Why do you think the free/open source stuff don't "just work"?

Also, a lot of time using FOSS is a choice we make not because of the price or principals but for convenience. I simply don't want to juggle licenses and dongles between home and studio computers, or for that matter be forced to install licensing software that is more or less a rootkit...

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by coldtea on Friday February 17, 2017 @11:50AM (#13669645)
Live, for one, comes with a full blown programming environment called Max for Live, where you can create all kinds of things on par with native plugins and controls.

But the more essential question is: does it matter?

If one is experimental electronic musician / sound artist, it might be worth it.

But the average musician wants a good environment with the features they need built-in (and easy access to quality third party plugins etc for FX etc), not to tinker (and even less so, in C/C++) with their DAW.

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by thirdsun on Friday February 17, 2017 @07:35AM (#13667803)
"modify" is a very flexible term, but at least Live offers lots of customization options, particularly when you consider Max for Live: https://www.ableton.com/en/live/max-for-live/
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by smonff on Friday February 17, 2017 @07:45AM (#13667866)
Can you modify Max?
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by thirdsun on Friday February 17, 2017 @07:53AM (#13667910)
Do you know Max? It's basically a toolkit for building audio, video and other applications/plugins. Creating and modifying is its main purpose.

https://cycling74.com/products/max/

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by smonff on Friday February 17, 2017 @08:16AM (#13668055)
Then do it with Pure Data!
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by coldtea on Friday February 17, 2017 @11:55AM (#13669707)
Why, so we can score some freedom points?

If Pure Data was as mature and polished as Max (which it is not) we just as well would.

If not, those things matter more than openness when you have music to record and work to do.

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by pjmlp on Friday February 17, 2017 @07:49AM (#13667887)
Does it matter at all when one doesn't want to?
Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by smonff on Friday February 17, 2017 @08:15AM (#13668048)
This is a thread about a Free / Open Source operating system announcement. Why Cubase, Live and Max are even mentioned here?

The problem for me is not superior VS inferior or impressive VS unimpressive software but free software VS closed software.

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by coldtea on Friday February 17, 2017 @11:54AM (#13669696)
>The problem for me is not superior VS inferior or impressive VS unimpressive software but free software VS closed software.

The problem for most people is good and inferior, or "getting my work done with this" and "this is lacking".

Free vs closed doesn't even come second to most people's concerns, and I'm not even sure it should.

Re:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS released by bostand on Friday February 17, 2017 @05:29PM (#13672282)
Funny thing...

My main problem has recently been "why can't I open these songs anymore" vs "can still edit old productions anywhere, any OS, no need for intrusive DRM that takes over my entire laptop just because Steinberg"