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Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by exergy on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @02:21AM (#13641862)
Please explain to me how complicated and demanding is the workflow of these "salespeople, real estate agents, pediatricians and beer distributors(!)" that you talk about? What exactly is stopping them from getting the smaller 12" MacBook? Or the infinite other ultrabooks available now? Something called the "Pro", and something that costs a pretty penny, shouldn't just cater to the ones out and about and only needing Excel.
Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by Veen on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @04:03AM (#13642250)
I'm a writer, and I consider myself a "pro" in that field. I don't really need the power of the Macbook Pro, but I do need a larger retina screen. The Macbook Pro is really the only laptop Apple makes at the moment that fits my needs.

I'm not sure why people who need high performance are so sniffy and condescending about those who don't. A requirement for massive computer resources doesn't make the work more valuable or respectable. Your moral worth is not linked to the number of processors you require to get your work done.

> Or the infinite other ultrabooks available now?

They don't run MacOS.

Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by megaduck on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @04:34AM (#13642366)
You're clearly the target market for these new MBPs, and that's great. Glad you have a machine that fits your needs.

People with more strenuous computing needs are miffed because the MBP used to fit our use case, and now it doesn't. There isn't a single Apple product focused on the high performance market any more, and some of us are bitter.

Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by ProblemFactory on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @06:28AM (#13642765)
Imho people are upset at Apple because they are leaving people who do need high performance, but want to stick with MacOS in the cold.

The current laptop lineup is great, and perfect for a wide range of professions, myself included. But there is nothing for the person who wants more power, even if with more weight and cost. The desktop lineup is okay, but 3-year-old models keep being sold at launch prices, and are not practically upgradeable.

Nobody cares if HP comes out with boring laptops one year - because there's always Lenovo, Dell, etc to choose from, and for desktops you can always build your own. But if you want to stay with your software and workflows on MacOS, Apple is the only maker of Macs.

My "suggestion" for Apple would be to give up on the Mac Pro desktop line, take one high-end Dell workstation every year, and test and qualify it to run MacOS. People already build Hackintoshes, so it cannot be too complex compared to designing and building their own hardware.

This would mean that people who want to pay $10-50k, can have a MacOS computer with 44 cores, a terabyte of memory, 4 graphics cards, 8 SSDs in RAID, and so on. Add a generous "Apple tax" to make it worthwhile for Apple, and people who want the power always have one "really maxed out" option. And everyone who complains about laptops not being powerful enough can be told to get a desktop instead.

Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by na85 on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @07:09AM (#13642942)
>I'm not sure why people who need high performance are so sniffy and condescending about those who don't.

I submit that it's because the people in one camp feel that Apple screwed them in order to cater to people in the second camp. The people in the first camp are sick of hearing how the MBP is adequate for the people in the second camp, and are projecting a little bit.

Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by arviewer on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @05:11AM (#13642489)
I don't mind that Apple offers very thin laptops that limit battery life, and make it impossible to change harddisks or add memory. The Macbook Air was the first, and it was great as it was. If there is a market for this, whether for professionals or not, they should sell them as much as then can.

I do mind that they don't offer at least one good alternative that is "programmer pro": harddisk can be changed, RAM can be added, battery can be replaced and may be bigger. I really don't mind 5mm or even 1cm extra thickness if that gives me all this for a reasonable price. And the 2012 Macbook Pro (without retina) was offered up til last year, but that was no real option with four year old hardware and still for the same price.

Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by rimantas on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @05:54AM (#13642628)
I am a programmer and changing RAM/disk/replaceable batteries are not on my list of things I need for work.
Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by nkristoffersen on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @11:10AM (#13644498)
Programmer pro does not need HD replacement and ram replacement. I would say in this day and age, decent keyboard, awesome screen, and fast wifi makes the most impact... I think what you mean is "computer enthusiast" because a pro will get the right tool for the job and get to work. MacBook pros have not been upgradable for a while and I would bet a significant number of "programmer pros" still use them without complaint.
Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by Klover on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @04:19AM (#13642310)
>Something called the "Pro", and something that costs a pretty penny, shouldn't just cater to the ones out and about and only needing Excel.

Do you know of that instant update feature in Excel? It automatically updates cells when you alter one, up to a certain performance point. My MacBook (non anything) stops doing so much faster than when I use a desktop. When I do process a line of heavier formulae I do have to also wait a fair amount longer than when I use a larger machine.

And the pretty penny argument does not really hold up when you are talking about it as a company expense, due to the very favorable tax perspective.

Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by tinus_hn on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @08:08AM (#13643230)
> Do you know of that instant update feature in Excel? It automatically updates cells when you alter one, up to a certain performance point. My MacBook (non anything) stops doing so much faster than when I use a desktop.

Sorry but that has to be one of the most ridiculous benchmarks I've seen in a long time.

Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by cracoucax on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @08:56AM (#13643489)
It's not a benchmark, he's just saying that even excel users can have a need for powerful computers too
Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by Someone on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @02:37AM (#13641917)
12" may be too small to show stuff to other people sitting around a table, or too uncomfortable on their eyes.
Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by lstamour on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @02:57AM (#13642006)
So they'll release a 15" version of the 12" soon enough. The point still stands: if Apple is the only ones making Macs, they need to cater to those who would prefer workstations or gaming rigs as the highest end "Pro" market. If it needs a separate graphics card, it's not for Excel...
Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by yoz-y on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @03:59AM (#13642236)
I think the ship on gaming macs has sailed. Apple has shown intermittent interest in high end computing, rendering, compilation and so. But the only "gaming" machine they ever produced is the iPad. None of their PCs was even remotely competitive with the competition and I believe they do not care.

I think that the only thing that could "trick" them into making a gaming machine is VR, as it requires similar hardware.

Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by techdragon on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @03:53AM (#13642219)
Let's be brutally realistic.

They don't "need" to... We just really want them to.

Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by marcosdumay on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @09:15AM (#13643593)
Time will tell that.

They made their brand exactly by caring about the people they are throwing away now. It's not obvious if their brand will sustain itself without those people.

Re:New Macbook Pro power efficiency and time remaining by rayiner on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @09:00AM (#13643514)
> What exactly is stopping them from getting the smaller 12" MacBook?

Screen size. I'd personally love a 15" fanless MacBook.