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Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by barrkel on Saturday February 11, 2017 @09:32PM (#13626303)
I have never had a good experience docking Linux laptops to a dock with multiple monitors attached. The behaviour changes from only lighting up one monitor to hard lockups on docking or suspending or something else, depending on kernel version and whim.

Randomly the keyboard attached to the dock doesn't initialize and I need to unplug and replug.

Unreliable docking is IMO an excellent reason not to use Linux on laptops. And most people use laptops these days because of work from home optionality.

This is with a mix of Dell and Lenovo laptops with Intel display chipsets, fwiw.

Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday February 12, 2017 @02:44AM (#13627321)
To be fare it's pretty rubbish on Windows as well, in particular if you have different resolutions on each screen. I have to reboot at least twice to get everything working.
Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by Macha on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @05:40AM (#13651045)
Also have issues booting up my mbp with multiple displays attached. Usually have to unplug or replug them about 1 in 3 bootups because it's decided to use the wrong resolution or not use one of the monitors.

Also whoever's decision it was that if you drop the right 10px at the left edge of the screen, it should only show those 10px and not overlap onto the neighbouring screen by default obviously does not use double monitors.

Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by tracker1 on Sunday February 12, 2017 @03:39PM (#13630614)
I find that mac tends to do the best in terms of connecting/disconnecting external monitors. If only Apple would bless a decent dock design.
Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by deadlyllama on Saturday February 11, 2017 @10:58PM (#13626617)
I've had absolutely no trouble with my HP Elitebook (a few years old) and it's dock. I can even run two external displays and the internal one simultaneously.
Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by endless1234 on Sunday February 12, 2017 @03:08AM (#13627378)
Random behavior when using the dock is pretty standard on my Lenovo running windows as well, though. Pretty much exactly those problems you are describing.
Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by maus42 on Monday February 13, 2017 @11:26AM (#13636466)
I once worked at a largish corp with large *nix user contingent. We had Dell laptops and docks and I don't remember having problems you described.

However, the IT support had a list of 'recommended' distros (Ubuntu LTS if memory serves) and kernels and they preferred very much if you stuck to those.

Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by herbst on Sunday February 12, 2017 @10:48AM (#13628851)
Try that with osx. But seriously. My wayland gnome 3 combination finally made this a absolute non issue.
Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by lallysingh on Saturday February 11, 2017 @10:14PM (#13626452)
ThinkPads too?
Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by dopeboy on Saturday February 11, 2017 @11:01PM (#13626628)
Thinkpad x250 user here. When I dock with one monitor, my screen will occasionally freeze forcing me to reboot.
Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by karlmdavis on Saturday February 11, 2017 @11:16PM (#13626679)
I used to have this problem a TON, and it drove me absolutely batty.

One thing I've found that's drastically cut down on the frequency (possibly eliminated it? not sure) is this: Always wait ten seconds between display state changes. Waking the computer up from sleep? Wait ten seconds before you dock it or connect an external monitor. Undocking it? Wait ten seconds before putting it to sleep.

Also: never make more than one state change at a time. For example, don't put the computer to sleep while docked, then undock it. Undock it first, wait ten seconds, then put it to sleep.

YMMV, but like I said: I think this has eliminated this problem for me. I've been using this process for some months now, and I'm doing much better at the uptime game (28 days since my last restart, right now).

Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by vram22 on Sunday February 12, 2017 @12:46PM (#13629462)
>Always wait ten seconds between display state changes

Yes, that's a good thumb rule when dealing with hardware+software. Not just for displays either. Seen many cases of it. I have a USB modem for mobile Net, for which I wait for a few seconds after it shows the login dialog, to make sure it has fully initialized, even though the dialog seems to indicate it is ready. If I click Connect in the dialog a few seconds too early, it connects but often then the speed comes down to zero quickly. Disconnecting, closing the dialog, removing the modem, waiting 5 seconds, plugging it back in, waiting for the dialog to come up again, and then waiting an extra 5 or so seconds, fixes the issue.

Remember issues like this from my system engineer days too (Unix and related support to customers in the field). Once a Unix minicomputer was not booting. (Was working for a large Indian Unix hardware vendor then - India got Unix early and became a Unix country, because of an RBI mandate on bank computerization.) This was at a hospital and they had a lot of critical patient and billing data on it. Backups could have been restored after changing the hard disk, but that would mean machine downtime on a live hospital system. Maybe a lot of time to get a replacement hard disk too, from head office.

Others had tried - hardware engineers. I was called in (I was a system engineer, aka software troubleshooter). Tried rebooting. Did not work - hung before kernel boot messages. Rebooted again. No luck. Did it again. Nope. Others said, drop it, lets try something else. I said - wait. Rebooted it again. It came up fine. End of story :)

Of course, I did a lot of other (and some harder) kinds of troubleshooting stuff in that role too, not just rebooting boxes :) But the point is that this kind of experience and common sense often worked when sometimes other things didn't. So it takes all kinds of skills ...

Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by vram22 on Sunday February 12, 2017 @12:50PM (#13629492)
>Also: never make more than one state change at a time.

Yes, good point, and a fundamental tenet of troubleshooting in general. Also to make each change reversible, as far as possible. You can bork a system by one innocent / ignorant change to a config file in /etc, for example. A lot of us learned it on our own (sometimes the hard way, ha ha, got a few stories there), later I also saw it mentioned in an early part of the O'Reilly book Unix System Administration by Aileen Frisch. Very good book, as is another book (thick one) by Nemeth et al - the Unix System Administration Handbook (later there was a Linux edition too).

Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by srazzaque on Saturday February 11, 2017 @11:08PM (#13626653)
What OS are you using? I'm on an x260, I had issues on Ubuntu 14 and 16, but since moving to Fedora Workstation 25 I've had an extremely pleasant experience from a hardware/docking point of view.
Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by mnadkvlb on Sunday February 12, 2017 @01:15PM (#13629635)
Fedora has changed the game for me as well. I am a very happy user so far. Although sometimes i see some notifications about a software crash somewhere. I really enjoy my time on Gnome3, there are very few annoyances as compared to windows/osx. Although i feel osx is way more polished in terms of gestures/ui etc. windows had been an absolute nightmare since windows8.
Re:Linux pioneer Munich poised to ditch open source and retu... by rifung on Sunday February 12, 2017 @01:54AM (#13627167)
I use a Thinkpad X1 Carbon for work and when I unplug the external monitor I never know if it's going to sleep or just freeze.