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Re:Four Kinds of Dystopia by danharaj on Saturday February 11, 2017 @09:27AM (#13622737)
Omelas deserves an honorable mention: a dystopia where a small minority are abused and forced to suffer in an otherwise pleasant society. It's already here.
Re:Four Kinds of Dystopia by jack9 on Saturday February 11, 2017 @11:27AM (#13623252)
I would say there's not 1 small minority, when there is multiple small minorities even within small communities that are (or feel they are) "suffering". Some groups are just imagining persecution as a proxy. A desire to control one aspect of their environment in contrast to their lack of control in other areas (e.g. biological constraints or economic position, etc).
Re:Four Kinds of Dystopia by KirinDave on Saturday February 11, 2017 @11:31AM (#13623277)
Western society is built around making other societies and the minorities within somewhat miserable. And the only way to escape this label is to make everyone better off, starting with the most unfairly treated.
Re:Four Kinds of Dystopia by atrendyguy on Saturday February 11, 2017 @12:15PM (#13623503)
In the west minorities and outsiders are treated as morally superior to natives. It's a pathologically "benign" civilization.

How long do you think an Arab would last in Han dominated China if he constantly criticized the Chinese for "Han supremacy" and called for an end to their way of life?

How long would a Han Chinese survive in Qatar behaving the same way?

Ironically, the openness of western society has led to its constant attack by disgruntled minorities. Who realized long ago that complaining loudly wins them resources and privileges.

Re:Four Kinds of Dystopia by chillwaves on Saturday February 11, 2017 @03:25PM (#13624605)
The values of inclusiveness and free speech bring inherent stability and progress to society. This is a feature, not a bug.
Re:Four Kinds of Dystopia by atrendyguy on Saturday February 11, 2017 @03:49PM (#13624715)
> bring inherent stability and progress to society.

I would classify this sort of thinking as "whig historiography." It's a popular meme, but there's no evidence that it's a good model of reality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_history

Embracing "diversity is strength" feels good in an abstract sense, but it seems to fly in the face of evidence. The chaos and conflict brewing now are a direct result of this motto being played out over the last fifty years or so.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1280266...

Re:Four Kinds of Dystopia by throwanem on Saturday February 11, 2017 @10:14AM (#13622936)
Hardly dystopic. And, of course, if you find that state of affairs too immoral to be borne, you can always walk away.
Re:Four Kinds of Dystopia by germinalphrase on Saturday February 11, 2017 @10:22AM (#13622982)
At least they were forced at a young age to personally experience and acknowledge the underlying suffering that allows them to live in a plentiful society.