But this comment. The one I'm responding to. It's the first time I've seen someone talk about Tesla and thought "WTF? This person can't be serious."

It's okay to think it's "important". I think Tesla is pretty darn neat. Asking others to quietly sacrifice their health for that thing? While being uninvolved yourself? That, I can't wrap my head around.

I stated that I'm conflicted and seeing both sides.

I stated ambivalent feelings and questioned the timing while admitting my own nativity about true conditions.

Got it.

You're literally arguing with someone who agrees with you on the internet. Take a breath and consider that.

Union organization is very calculated. It has to be because union opposition is also very calculated, especially when it's done lawfully. It's calculated because there are very specific protocols that have to be followed that may or may not be enforced by laws with sharp teeth (depending on the state). This makes it very sensitive. Also, public relations is a significant part of the playing field. The company and the union are trying to use it to both bolster and gauge support.

With all that said, I wish the best for both parties in coming to an agreement where workers can safely and efficiently build cars that will eventually replace most gas powered cars with all its moving parts with EV cars with minimal moving parts.

I don't think you really believe that - if you truly internalized this, then isn't the conclusion that you should go find any way possible to contribute to them as well?

Maybe I just bought into their rhetoric, maybe. But I believe that the company's vision is more directed at sustainable transportation rather than profit.

They have worked really hard and brought in a lot of investment working towards an electric car. If Musk was truly profit driven he could have made a lot more money, a lot faster by directing his energy elsewhere.

If you really believe in them you should work 12 hour shifts in one of their factories, making the dream happen and saving the planet.

Sorry not sorry

Everyone has limited resources. What you chose to contribute to and your level of contribution will vary. For example, commitments to one's family may preclude contributing to Tesla beyond reserving a Model 3 untenable. This is independent of one's belief in the impact of what Tesla is doing.

I did not make that argument whatsoever. You made that up.

Isn't this essentially the same line used by startups to lowball recent grads? It seems to me this board would know better.

I realize I've probably chugged the kool-aid at this point but I can't fathom why Musk would work so hard towards this goal and not be thinking about the big picture.

Personally, I'm rooting for them. But they only get to play altruist if they make it pay for the investors.

How so? What is it that they're doing that is so special, beyond what Ford, GM, Toyota, Fiat, VW Group and a multitude of others are doing? They're building electric cars. All of them. Why do people think Tesla deserves "special snowflake" status?

It seems like GM is leading the way to me, while Tesla has been dragging its feet and making luxury cars. But I guess GM is not sexy enough for 20 somethings.

The Bolt is a rush to market toy car. You're right they beat Tesla to the market with an affordable car, but no one wants it because it's tiny and GM has built a terrible reputation for itself. Sales numbers reflect this.

For most people a car is a significant purchase and value plays a large role in this purchase.

Man, the hype about that company truly has reached unreal proportions right now.